No scheduling for hardtops, Sasquatch and LUX

BroncoBT

so does this mean you have to modify your order if you have any of these constraints or the combo of all 3? I have non-sas black diamond with hardtop on order. I really don’t want a soft top.

You don't HAVE to change your order at all.

What Ford is saying is based on their supply forecasts and the current outstanding order mix, they know for certain they will not be able to build all of the order holders who have the Sasquatch package, Lux package, and/or hard top. The best chance you have at getting built this year is to drop those items.

If you choose not to change your order, you can do that. But you may not receive a build date this year. If you don't get built this year, you will have to resubmit an order for 2024 model year, and you will lose any price protection, as the early reservation system for the Bronco ends at the end of the 2023 model year.

Garemlin

Just received this email from Ashlie at Chapman Ford in regards to my order. Looks like to be considered for scheduling you have to drop the hardtop, Sasquatch package and LUX package if you have them in your build.

UPDATE: There are pretty big discussions going on over on B6G about this. Ashlie herself has made a few replies. And many others have confirmed this information.


No more 2023MY scheduling for hardtops, Sasquatch and LUX (reported by dealership)

Chapman Of Horsham with @dealerinsider






Update #2: This was just posted by forum member @DDM4

Just got the email from bronco 6g on this.Will watch carefully.

Two years of waiting to be told I can't get what I want for another year will kinda tick me off.

As a 2nd day 2.7/SAS/2 door plus aux switches, mod bumper, etc (and therefore hardtop) reservation holder who waited 688 days, (sad to think people will wait longer than this ( my advice is to NOT CHANGE YOUR ORDER)
JMO.
Getting a a truck that is not everything you want 3-6 months earlier will not make you happy.
Example: Many people who got soft tops with the promise of hardtops are still waiting. Not all but many.
If you have hung on this long, HANG IN a little longer.
Ford wants to move units and make money. OK. They are in the business of making money.
But if you are in the business of being happy, then I recommend waiting.
I have had SO MANY people come up to me at gas stations, motels, etc.
HOW did you get a SAS 2.7 ?
Because I waited.
JMO.

Am wondering if there’s enough for a class action lawsuit against Ford for claiming to be able to produce something it can’t, bait and switch, fraudulently providing a form of price protection if you switch to what they can produce (and backing out if you insist on waiting for what you ordered)

Nminus1

As a 2nd day 2.7/SAS/2 door plus aux switches, mod bumper, etc (and therefore hardtop) reservation holder who waited 688 days, (sad to think people will wait longer than this ( my advice is to NOT CHANGE YOUR ORDER)
JMO.
Getting a a truck that is not everything you want 3-6 months earlier will not make you happy.
Example: Many people who got soft tops with the promise of hardtops are still waiting. Not all but many.
If you have hung on this long, HANG IN a little longer.
Ford wants to move units and make money. OK. They are in the business of making money.
But if you are in the business of being happy, then I recommend waiting.
I have had SO MANY people come up to me at gas stations, motels, etc.
HOW did you get a SAS 2.7 ?
Because I waited.
JMO.

LOL , I've been hearing the wait it out 3-6 months now on for over 910 DAYS !
Already dropped Lux and Tow pkg when re-ordered the 3rd time but can't drop the hard top . I guess Sas is next to drop :(
Tell me the truth , how many days should I have waited before I started dropping things that I want ?

I just called a class action lawyer. They will be getting back to me.

vbsteve

I just called a class action lawyer. They will be getting back to me.

What would be the end goal of this. Punish Ford? I'm sure they have run the numbers, and are ready for the costs should this become a legal thing. But be assured, that won't get you the Bronco you want. I doubt you would even get $2500 out of it. If they call you back it's not because it would be worth it to you, it's because the lawyer would make bank.

mike8675309

What would be the end goal of this. Punish Ford? I'm sure they have run the numbers, and are ready for the costs should this become a legal thing. But be assured, that won't get you the Bronco you want. I doubt you would even get $2500 out of it. If they call you back it's not because it would be worth it to you, it's because the lawyer would make bank.

Yeah, I agree... there's no point in my opinion.

If you win, the lawyers gets bank and everyone who joined the lawsuit gets maybe a few hundred bucks at most. If you lose... which is very likely considering Ford has always said that placing a reservation/order does not guarantee delivery of a vehicle... then you just wasted your time and probably money.

The idea of a class action lawsuit has been brought up several times before and they have never gone anywhere. Not so sure what is different this time around.

RagnarKon

Yeah, I agree... there's no point in my opinion.

If you win, the lawyers gets bank and everyone who joined the lawsuit gets maybe a few hundred bucks at most. If you lose... which is very likely considering Ford has always said that placing a reservation/order does not guarantee delivery of a vehicle... then you just wasted your time and probably money.

The idea of a class action lawsuit has been brought up several times before and they have never gone anywhere. Not so sure what is different this time around.

Bad word of mouth is the only thing that will hurt Ford.
In over 40 years of owning a Ford , it's about to start :(

Rydfree

Bad word of mouth is the only thing that will hurt Ford.
In over 40 years of owning a Ford , it's about to start :(

I'm sure they've analyzed it to death and determined it won't hurt them much in the long run.

I mean... they've been talking about the hard top issues since March 2021 and have given people all of the opportunity in the world to switch. They also stated back in June 2021 that the price protection system would end in 2023MY. It definitely sucks, no doubt about that, and Ford could have handled it better. But there is also a heavy dose of "we told you this was an issue, and you decided not to change your order" in this situation.

This whole thing has been a mess... but the vast majority of people have stuck with them for 2+ years, and I'm sure the vast majority of people who don't get built this year will simply place a 2024MY order. Most people who have taken delivery love their Bronco, so the vehicle itself is solid... they just can't built enough of them, which is a good problem to have.

Overall I think the sheer number of recalls they've had lately is doing substantially more damage to the brand as a whole than the situation around the Bronco.

We'll pretty happy that I have my HOSS3.0 equipped hard top wildtrak. Sucks for many. If I was still waiting, I would change to the weekend warrior package (badlands) for $5000 (partial aftermarket hardtop payment), rip all the light duty stuff off like the factory skids, rock rails and steering rack. Get a decent suspension lift now that some decent coilovers and other parts are available that are actual upgrades not just stop gaps.

$2500 is OK, particularly if all other price protection programs that you qualify for stay in place, but essentially you have to give up gearing and front lockers, unless you choose a badlands, and in that case you have to get the manual and are stuck with the 2.3 to get the 4.7 rear gear ratio, or an automatic and you can only get the 4.46. The big bend is impossible to outfit with anything from the factory for off road use, without sasquatch. Essentially, most people will have to sacrifice what they wanted and can either spend a small fortune to add gearing, axels, suspension, hard top, etc., aftermarket, or just do a dealer special with real crap spacer on hitachis and some cheap rims.....

I won't be placing an order for a 2024 if mine doesn't get built.

I'm waiting on clarification as to what the 'exclusions' are for option #2 before I ultimately decide what happens to my 2Dr Badlands order. The answer will dictate my option choice, but I can certainly say that buying something from Dealer stock is not even in the possibilities.
Why I say this is, I was given a lead on a 2Dr Shadow Black Black Diamond with Mid, 2.7 and Sasquatch that had been abandoned by the original order holder.

I checked and chatted with them online Thursday evening and they still had it and it was at MSRP with no mark-up. I work a Weekend shift, so it's kind of difficult for me to pursue anything efficiently, I was also only 'kicking the tires', because I wasn't serious about it.
I got an email Saturday telling me I was given the 'wrong price' and the 'real price' was $5k higher than MSRP (think the $2500 offer coming and the average private offer amount added together). The email I got Sunday said the vehicle had been sold and is no longer available.

There are going to be Dealers that will be 'padding' the price of '23's on the lot and any incentive to do the one choice in option#2 will be nullified.

RagnarKon

I'm sure they've analyzed it to death and determined it won't hurt them much in the long run.

I mean... they've been talking about the hard top issues since March 2021 and have given people all of the opportunity in the world to switch. They also stated back in June 2021 that the price protection system would end in 2023MY. It definitely sucks, no doubt about that, and Ford could have handled it better. But there is also a heavy dose of "we told you this was an issue, and you decided not to change your order" in this situation.

This whole thing has been a mess... but the vast majority of people have stuck with them for 2+ years, and I'm sure the vast majority of people who don't get built this year will simply place a 2024MY order. Most people who have taken delivery love their Bronco, so the vehicle itself is solid... they just can't built enough of them, which is a good problem to have.

Overall I think the sheer number of recalls they've had lately is doing substantially more damage to the brand as a whole than the situation around the Bronco.

I agree with most of what you’ve said. But there’s no way around how embarrassing the bronco rollout has been. It’s been all but Murphy’s law…. Other than the truck being fantastic, it could’ve gone much worse. And now Ford is practically paying people to cancel their orders…. I’ve never heard of a company doing that.

I’m likely dropping Sasquatch tomorrow. I was looking forward to it coming from factory with all factory protections, but between Price Protection, dropping Sas, and the additional $2.5k, I’ll be “saving” about $10k. That’s going to go a long way to make my own Sas (I’m only missing out on the gearing) and now I can get my other mods done quicker since I’m saving so much more.

I understand running Ford through the wringer at times (and they’ve made their fair share of mistakes), but they also rolled out a highly anticipated vehicle and then the world fell apart. Some of these constraints aren’t even on Ford. It’s the other companies who can’t get Ford the parts, but it is their logo on the vehicles. I wish I didn’t have to wait as long as I am, and I know others have waited longer, but I do love the products Ford makes and this doesn’t make me like them any less. It’s just a series of “unfortunate events”

Slyder

I won't be placing an order for a 2024 if mine doesn't get built.

I'm waiting on clarification as to what the 'exclusions' are for option #2 before I ultimately decide what happens to my 2Dr Badlands order. The answer will dictate my option choice, but I can certainly say that buying something from Dealer stock is not even in the possibilities.
Why I say this is, I was given a lead on a 2Dr Shadow Black Black Diamond with Mid, 2.7 and Sasquatch that had been abandoned by the original order holder.

I checked and chatted with them online Thursday evening and they still had it and it was at MSRP with no mark-up. I work a Weekend shift, so it's kind of difficult for me to pursue anything efficiently, I was also only 'kicking the tires', because I wasn't serious about it.
I got an email Saturday telling me I was given the 'wrong price' and the 'real price' was $5k higher than MSRP (think the $2500 offer coming and the average private offer amount added together). The email I got Sunday said the vehicle had been sold and is no longer available.

There are going to be Dealers that will be 'padding' the price of '23's on the lot and any incentive to do the one choice in option#2 will be nullified.

2 doors were usually marked closer to MSRP since they are the "non-desired" configuration. But now with this news I suspect you'll be seeing 2 doors priced higher than 4 doors. So if you find one I'd jump on it.

I don't know what the "exclusions" are personally, but it's just based on the Ford's other programs... it's probably going to be the Maverick (they have similar production supply issues), F-150 Lightning, Mach-E, all things hybrid, and the Ford Performance vehicles (Mustang GT500, Raptor, etc).

Calbaugh

I’m likely dropping Sasquatch tomorrow. I was looking forward to it coming from factory with all factory protections, but between Price Protection, dropping Sas, and the additional $2.5k, I’ll be “saving” about $10k. That’s going to go a long way to make my own Sas (I’m only missing out on the gearing) and now I can get my other mods done quicker since I’m saving so much more.

I understand running Ford through the wringer at times (and they’ve made their fair share of mistakes), but they also rolled out a highly anticipated vehicle and then the world fell apart. Some of these constraints aren’t even on Ford. It’s the other companies who can’t get Ford the parts, but it is their logo on the vehicles. I wish I didn’t have to wait as long as I am, and I know others have waited longer, but I do love the products Ford makes and this doesn’t make me like them any less. It’s just a series of “unfortunate events”

I am curious as to if your dealership has a large number of orders and if it is a larger dealership? How many orders do they have in the conga line and where are you in it? If you want PM me.

TK1215

I am curious as to if your dealership has a large number of orders and if it is a larger dealership? How many orders do they have in the conga line and where are you in it? If you want PM me.

Small town dealer. Probably under 20 orders left at this point. Not sure where I fall in the queue

This is all pretty crappy news, I guess I will be waiting for a 2024. I do not want a soft top. Has anyone ordered the dual top option?

I love how dropping Sasquatch adds a charge for the Automatic Transmisison of $1595 on the build and price. Really only saving $2495 by dropping the Sas package after you pay for the automatic! Who knew that was included in the Sas?

Calbaugh

Small town dealer. Probably under 20 orders left at this point. Not sure where I fall in the queue

I would wait and see what the actual information is when it officially comes out. You are in a relatively good spot. Don’t make a change until you have to. I would double check with your dealership to see where you sit, and how many allocations they typically are getting. And if you haven’t done so, get to know your salesperson and sales manager really well.