Dying to Upgrade tires to 35's on Badlands non-sas

MoFaSho

Dec 07, 2021

I LOVE my Bronco, but I've gotta say honestly I'm already regretting some of my build choices.

1. I regret compromising on the top for quick delivery from the MIC. I plan to order one as SOON as they're available to purchase from Ford
2. I regret compromising on the tow package which I've already ordered.
3. I am MOST regretful for not ordering the Sasquatch package know I'd be wanting to take my bronco out on the trails because it was only a few thousand more than I paid for my Badlands

My questions:

Am I causing any long term damage to my vehicle by just lifting and adding 35's to it, to go out on the trails.
Do I need to consider a making changes to my transmission to take it off road (and just drive it on the road for that matter)

I did the Off-Roadeo in Texas, and I don't recall seeing 33's on ANY of those vehicles.

HELP!

2021 Bronco Badlands, 4D, Black, 2.3, non-Squatch, high, (regretfully)soft top.

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Dec 10, 2021

#40

MoFaSho
So we've both got Bilstein/HOSS , but the amount of lift is different (?).

I'm outa my element here, so forgive me if I'm asking a stupid question (I try never to repeat the stupid ones).

I heard on U Tube the lift diff is half inch.

MoFaSho

Dec 10, 2021

#41

I am getting the level lift. 1 inch in front and running 33’s but I will have the 2 door. I WILL NOTBE LEFT BEHIND!

Dec 10, 2021

#42

@ResidualGenius ... I make an annual trip to MOAB. I'm definitely doing the Top of the world trail, and don't wanna have issues, but I'm not doing anything more difficult than a moderate trail.

2021 Bronco Badlands, 4D, Black, 2.3, non-Squatch, high, (regretfully)soft top.

ResidualGenius

Dec 10, 2021

#43

nic
Counter argument... the non-sas Badlands on 33's get you more articulation? You've got a great truck, I say just go use it.

I prefer the K02’s over the Goodyear’s. I will be mostly snow ❄️ and ice.

Dec 10, 2021

#44

MoFaSho
So we've both got Bilstein/HOSS , but the amount of lift is different (?).

I'm outa my element here, so forgive me if I'm asking a stupid question (I try never to repeat the stupid ones).

Bronco6g has a post called The Definitive Guide to 2021+ Bronco Ride & Lift Heights with Wheel & Tire Sizes that can explain things for you around the difference between the suspension setups.

In there is a table that shows the Badlands suspension lift from Stock is .067" The Sasquatch lift from stock is 1.10" or .43" more than the Badlands.

2D Base Mansquatch: Ord 11-24-2021; VIN 3-16-2022; Schd 5/9/22; Sticker 5/4/22; Modules 5/10/22;Built 5/11/22;Shipt 5/12/22;Delv 5/24/22

MoFaSho, DSTAR777

Dec 10, 2021

#45

MoFaSho
@ResidualGenius ... I make an annual trip to MOAB. I'm definitely doing the Top of the world trail, and don't wanna have issues, but I'm not doing anything more difficult than a moderate trail.

Check out the you tube video when the dude does that trail in a stock Outer Banks in 32inch street tires.

Dec 10, 2021

#46

I know I'm placing more value on ground clearance than flex, but it seems like it should work (more or less)...

logic (allbeit less informed) tells me I may lose an inch at the most, since that bigger tire won't go as far up into the well. and that I'll likely need to buy some SAS fender (that's a low-key offer to purchase from anyone with take-offs), and MAYBE bump an inch up front with a level.

2021 Bronco Badlands, 4D, Black, 2.3, non-Squatch, high, (regretfully)soft top.

DSTAR777

Dec 10, 2021

#47

MoFaSho
So we've both got Bilstein/HOSS , but the amount of lift is different (?).

I'm outa my element here, so forgive me if I'm asking a stupid question (I try never to repeat the stupid ones).

Yes, they are different, with the SAS you get what they call High Clearance Suspension. All good, no worries

WT HOSS 4dr 2.7 MIC Lux Tow
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Dec 10, 2021

#48

DSTAR777
Check out the you tube video when the dude does that trail in a stock Outer Banks in 32inch street tires.

Yea, seen that, and can be done. People underestimate the capabilities of pretty much all the trim levels and what they truly can do stock He's asking about adding the 35's on stock BL

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7/16/20 Res -- 1/22/21, 10/8/21 Order -- 3/24/22 VIN -- 5/9/22, 5/23/22, 5/16/22, 6/6/22, 6/17/22 Build 7/15/22 Delivered

DSTAR777

Dec 10, 2021

#49

MoFaSho
So lets say for arguments sake, I just purchased a wheel and tire set off a First Edition (oopsies), and wanted to mount them on my Badlands. Since they have the same offset as a Sasquatch, could I get away with adding Sas fenders and perform adequately off road?

Has anyone else tried this already?

I think there are a few replies, but in simple terms your base/standard badlands has like 0.67” of lift above other lower base trims, the SAS has and additional roughly 0.5” lift. The base/standard badlands has a different bilstien set up. So the 1st edition rims and tires will fit, and due to the offset you shouldn’t have a problem with hitting suspension components in the back like the upper control arm, but you will hit the crash bars, and off road on uneven trails you will rub on various wheel well stuff. The fender flares will only protect more of your paint and people behind you from the larger tires, your stock flares won’t rub, but you will now have a lot more poke

95 Eddie 5.8 Windsor 2021? nope, 2022?, wait 2022.5 HOSS3.0 equipped WildTrak/LUX/Leather/MIC. 7/14 RES

ResidualGenius

Dec 10, 2021

#50

mike8675309
Bronco6g has a post called The Definitive Guide to 2021+ Bronco Ride & Lift Heights with Wheel & Tire Sizes that can explain things for you around the difference between the suspension setups.

In there is a table that shows the Badlands suspension lift from Stock is .067" The Sasquatch lift from stock is 1.10" or .43" more than the Badlands.

Look at the TRUE diameter for the Badlands tires. K02’s are 32.7” Goodyear are 33”. Just .3” different so it is the width you need to worry about and rubbing.

ResidualGenius

Dec 10, 2021

#51

ResidualGenius
Yes, they are different, with the SAS you get what they call High Clearance Suspension. All good, no worries

Looks like I'm kinda screwed here (unless I wanna do a spring replacement, which brings other challenges, like CV joints...etc), if I wanna do a slight bump to the Sas tires/wheels on my BL.

2021 Bronco Badlands, 4D, Black, 2.3, non-Squatch, high, (regretfully)soft top.

Dec 10, 2021

#52

MoFaSho
Looks like I'm kinda screwed here (unless I wanna do a spring replacement, which brings other challenges, like CV joints...etc), if I wanna do a slight bump to the Sas tires/wheels on my BL.

You said you want to do 35's, why not 37? Then you get more value for the suspension upgrades. So have fun with what you have, drive it till it's worn out while you save for the upgrade. Then there will be more options out there, prices will come down, and you'll find what works and what doesn't from those that go before you. As others have said, you can have a lot of fun with the stock Badlands. Alot of fun.

2D Base Mansquatch: Ord 11-24-2021; VIN 3-16-2022; Schd 5/9/22; Sticker 5/4/22; Modules 5/10/22;Built 5/11/22;Shipt 5/12/22;Delv 5/24/22

TK1215

Dec 10, 2021

#53

DSTAR777
Look at the TRUE diameter for the Badlands tires. K02’s are 32.7” Goodyear are 33”. Just .3” different so it is the width you need to worry about and rubbing.

My mistake. There are 2 options for 33” tire. The sas are 34.7.

Dec 10, 2021

#54

To each their own, but I think 285s on your BL are perfect! My original reservation was for a BL, just because I liked the factory 33s. But, I decided that was not a good enough reason to buy that trim. I plan to put 275s on my BB when it arrives, as the standard 255s are too skinny for me. Good luck with whatever you do!

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Dec 10, 2021

#55

Heart2
To each their own, but I think 285s on your BL are perfect! My original reservation was for a BL, just because I liked the factory 33s. But, I decided that was not a good enough reason to buy that trim. I plan to put 275s on my BB when it arrives, as the standard 255s are too skinny for me. Good luck with whatever you do!

That is why I ordered BL at 1st as well and I wanted the silver rim with the Black Shadow paint. Then I learned about the stock HOSS and Sta Disconnect. I also wanted front and rear lockers and this is the only trim that we can get without Sas.

Heart2

Dec 10, 2021

#56

One thing I haven't seen mentioned here is the differential gear ratio. The Badlands with the Sasquatch package is 4.7:1, and without the SAS package, the auto Badlands is 4.46. So, if you add 35's to a non-SAS Badlands you'll be running 4.46 gears (unless you are getting the manual trans). My experience tells me that's not the end of the world, but it will definitely be noticeable. My advice would the same as some of the others. Run what you got, and if the experience for what YOU run isn't good, then look at upgrades. But it's going to be a BUNCH of changes, and if you decide to go to 35's, you might as well go to 37's. It would be the same level of changes, IMHO.

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Deano Bronc, mike8675309

Dec 24, 2021

#57

DSTAR777
My mistake. There are 2 options for 33” tire. The sas are 34.7.

I just measured my tires on my badlands Sasquatch and thier only 33" ground top.

2021 4 door Badlands Sasquatch, Rapid red. 2.7, high package. Reserved on 07-19-2020, ordered 01-20-2021, delivered 12-05-2021

Dec 25, 2021

#58

JoergH
One thing I haven't seen mentioned here is the differential gear ratio. The Badlands with the Sasquatch package is 4.7:1, and without the SAS package, the auto Badlands is 4.46. So, if you add 35's to a non-SAS Badlands you'll be running 4.46 gears (unless you are getting the manual trans). My experience tells me that's not the end of the world, but it will definitely be noticeable. My advice would the same as some of the others. Run what you got, and if the experience for what YOU run isn't good, then look at upgrades. But it's going to be a BUNCH of changes, and if you decide to go to 35's, you might as well go to 37's. It would be the same level of changes, IMHO.

Before taking my BL, 2.3 MT off road would have been “what ! Only get to 25 MPH in second gear?” Yes, I’m still breaking er in and doing my best to limit the revs. The lower ratio is def noticeable on the street, but SWEET BABY JESUS, that thing is SO MUCH FUN crawling. Liking the 33’s so far, but see something larger in the future without much concern about ftlbs and hp from the 2.3!
P.s. in case you can’t tell, I’m a manual fanatic. Love em!

2021 badlands, 2.3, MT, rapid red, soft top

Deano Bronc, DSTAR777

Dec 25, 2021

#59

MoFaSho
I LOVE my Bronco, but I've gotta say honestly I'm already regretting some of my build choices.

1. I regret compromising on the top for quick delivery from the MIC. I plan to order one as SOON as they're available to purchase from Ford
2. I regret compromising on the tow package which I've already ordered.
3. I am MOST regretful for not ordering the Sasquatch package know I'd be wanting to take my bronco out on the trails because it was only a few thousand more than I paid for my Badlands

My questions:

Am I causing any long term damage to my vehicle by just lifting and adding 35's to it, to go out on the trails.
Do I need to consider a making changes to my transmission to take it off road (and just drive it on the road for that matter)

I did the Off-Roadeo in Texas, and I don't recall seeing 33's on ANY of those vehicles.

HELP!

I cannot speak to how "bad" it would be to do this to a non-Squatched Bronco - but - one of the elements of the Squatch is an upgraded front axle. this looks like an engineered part to me, and likely upgraded to accommodate the larger tires and assoicated stresses. Also the Squatch upgrades the suspension, I suspect for similar reasons. And so you might consult one of the after-market shops like 4WP who have designed an upgrade with custome wheels and tires. I believe 4WP incorporates a coil-over suspension but I don't recall seeing anything about front axles. perhaps their design accounts for the difference, or, perhaps I am wrong about it being a potential issue

Slownstddy

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