4 Cylinder Vs V6

Well I don’t know, the hard brake issue has been fixed but the mushy feeling is still a thing I have a very late MY22 Bronco they were building MY23 that same time mine came off the line. So it could still be an issue.

As for the Forscan fix I am planning on getting that and trying it In The near future. As well as turning off the double honk.

@Ford Motor Company, claims have been made, or inferred, that the brake boosters are still an issue on newer model 2.3L Broncos. Can you please respond as to the status of the brake boosters on the 2.3L engine..

Brake failures are no laughing matter and should be taken extremely serious. I personally do not think this is still an issue but claims, or the inference of such, continue..

I am anti-disinformation so it would be nice to hear directly from the horses mouth / mothership..

Thanks!

extra toasty

Trouble ahead with carbon buildup.

Valvoline ran a couple of 2.3 L engines for 500,000 miles. This a video of the tear down. I was concerned about carbon buildup until I watched this video.

raqball

@Ford Motor Company, claims have been made, or inferred, that the brake boosters are still an issue on newer model 2.3L Broncos. Can you please respond as to the status of the brake boosters on the 2.3L engine..

Brake failures are no laughing matter and should be taken extremely serious. I personally do not think this is still an issue but claims, or the inference of such, continue..

I am anti-disinformation so it would be nice to hear directly from the horses mouth / mothership..

Thanks!

Just to be clear the soft brake is not failing brakes the brake still work well, it is just the feeling you get when you push the pedal and it feels soft. I cant get it to go all the way to the fire wall it gets hard then stops a few mm shy. But it feels like the brakes need to be bled.

noochdogg007

Hey team, I'm deciding whether I should get a four-cylinder or the V6 could you guys please provide some feedback on what you feel about each model or if there's a big difference between the four-cylinder and the V6… I know the horsepower and torque ratings…but wanted to hear from some owners who have tried both.. I am looking at the Outer Banks, four-door, hardtop Sasquatch with the four-cylinder. It saves a couple grand going with the 4cyl.. and didn't know if there was gonna be that much difference… I mainly will be driving it on the highway but I do wanna take it off Roading as well thank you.

I have a 2 door with the 2.7 w Nitto 35's and a 3 inch lift over non-sasquatch. My wife drives a 4 door sasquatched (by me) w the goodyears, 2.3 manual, AWE cat-back, with the Ford Tune. I can honestly say, one is just as fun to drive as the other. The 2.3, in the manual at least, never made me feel under powered, and the tune/exhaust made it even better. I've wheeled the 2.3 many times and have zero complaints in that department either. I only recently got the 2.7 so I haven't got it offroad yet. Both have hard tops, although currently have a soft top on the 2.3. Was not thrilled to find out my 2.7 is probably in the upcoming engine recall for certain 2021's but we'll see.

CalvinT

Valvoline ran a couple of 2.3 L engines for 500,000 miles. This a video of the tear down. I was concerned about carbon buildup until I watched this video.

Interesting. Certainly a good endorsement for full synthetic oil.
Sometimes it’s hard to believe anything.

Jakob1972

Just to be clear the soft brake is not failing brakes the brake still work well, it is just the feeling you get when you push the pedal and it feels soft. I cant get it to go all the way to the fire wall it gets hard then stops a few mm shy. But it feels like the brakes need to be bled.

I agree with you. When I bought my 2.3L Black Diamond manual, I felt the brake pedal was a bit soft and the brakes lacked bite. As I broke the Bronco in it seemed like the pads bedded well with the rotors and braking performance much improved.

I think the characteristics of the "soft pedal" is a result of tuning by Ford and vacuum assist availability from a turbo boosted engine, which don't generate a lot of vacuum. I would think an ORV would not want a lot of initial bite when on soft/loose off-road surfaces. Get into the brakes hard on the street and the Bronco stops quite assuredly.

Eninty

I agree with you. When I bought my 2.3L Black Diamond manual, I felt the brake pedal was a bit soft and the brakes lacked bite. As I broke the Bronco in it seemed like the pads bedded well with the rotors and braking performance much improved.

I think the characteristics of the "soft pedal" is a result of tuning by Ford and vacuum assist availability from a turbo boosted engine, which don't generate a lot of vacuum. I would think an ORV would not want a lot of initial bite when on soft/loose off-road surfaces. Get into the brakes hard on the street and the Bronco stops quite assuredly.

Yah a remember reading a test that Car and Driver did on a new generation Ranger. They thought the initial bite was weak and then they were almost thrown thru the windshield. It’s called poor modulation. They called it “genuinely frightening”.

Jakob1972

there was/is a thread here where people were having issues with the brakes /brake booster specifically, the problem was usually at highway speeds using cruise and then try to hit the brakes the booster just wouldn't be there. the work around was to turn off cruise then use the brakes. The Fix was a replacement vacuum line. But I believe this was an early MY issue.
That said, I do have the spongy brake pedal. but it stops fine and no worries on Hells Revenge.

Cruise control is for quitters. 🤷‍♂️

There you have it @noochdogg007 , we all have different opinions/priorities I highly recommend test driving both including highway/freeway and decide for yourself. Now that plenty are on lots I would sit in several that are various trims and optioned differently and play with everything on the rigs the dealership will let you to see how you prefer it. Unless you find a low price low mile First Edition then take that thing!

People are commenting on the soft brake pedal. I don't notice much difference between my 2.3L Bronco and my WRX Subaru. So I wonder what other vehicles people are driving.

OrangecrushBronco

Cruise control is for quitters. 🤷‍♂️

I am not a fan. I haven't used cruise in 37 years.

CalvinT

People are commenting on the soft brake pedal. I don't notice much difference between my 2.3L Bronco and my WRX Subaru. So I wonder what other vehicles people are driving.

I don't think the soft pedal is on every 2.3l Bronco. I know ours was very "normal" feeling until we hit about 32k now it has a soft feel. I checked the pads and fluid they are still good.

extra toasty

One difference most people don’t mention is that vehicles with the 2.3 come with the problematic vacuum assist brakes. They are shared from the Ranger platform. Poor modulation, spongy pedal feel, long stopping distances.
My 2dr Sasquatch 2.7 drives like a “sport” SUV. I have driven a more door Big Bend and it felt totally different. Sluggish in comparison.

I have the Big Bend 4 door (moredoor) Sasquatch with the 2.7 and I was pleased with the performance and power. My wife purchased the 2 door with the 2.7 and I can't believe the difference! Hers (assuming because it's so much lighter) feels so much faster and more powerful than the heavier 4 door Sasq...(hers is not a Sasquatch), it's amazing! I know I'm not answering the question about which engine to purchase, but I couldn't be happier with our 2.7's and fuel mileage is around 19, depending on if I put it in sport mode or not. I prefer bigger engines and working them less, but I've heard great things about the 2.3 also. I'm OG, prefer the bigger and working them less.

OrangecrushBronco

I haven't noticed any of that. Carves up corners and it brakes just fine.

@noochdogg007, this is why you need to drive them for yourself. No disrespect to OrangecrushBronco, but statements like "Carves up corners" mean vastly different things to different people. In my mind, there is no such thing as a Bronco that carves up corners. 😁 So, you could have one person tell you that the 2.3 is "way more than enough," while someone else tells you it sucks.

What I do know is that the number of people happy with the power of the 2.7 is greater than the number of people that would be happy with the power of the 2.3. 😉 I had to choose one without the benefit of being able to test drive either, so I went with the 2.7 to be safe that I wouldn't be unhappy that the 2.3 was merely adequate or worse. The fuel economy difference is only 1 MPG in my configuration, so that wasn't even a factor. Neither was the automatic transmission, so it came down to $1,800 for a guarantee of enough power. 😀 I still haven't driven the 2.3, so I still don't even know if I would have been happy with the 2.3. I do know that I have plenty of effortless power on tap and the low-end torque makes rock-crawling and similar off-road tasks feel easy.

timhood

@noochdogg007, this is why you need to drive them for yourself. No disrespect to OrangecrushBronco, but statements like "Carves up corners" mean vastly different things to different people. In my mind, there is no such thing as a Bronco that carves up corners. 😁 So, you could have one person tell you that the 2.3 is "way more than enough," while someone else tells you it sucks.

What I do know is that the number of people happy with the power of the 2.7 is greater than the number of people that would be happy with the power of the 2.3. 😉 I had to choose one without the benefit of being able to test drive either, so I went with the 2.7 to be safe that I wouldn't be unhappy that the 2.3 was merely adequate or worse. The fuel economy difference is only 1 MPG in my configuration, so that wasn't even a factor. Neither was the automatic transmission, so it came down to $1,800 for a guarantee of enough power. 😀 I still haven't driven the 2.3, so I still don't even know if I would have been happy with the 2.3. I do know that I have plenty of effortless power on tap and the low-end torque makes rock-crawling and similar off-road tasks feel easy.

"In my mind, there is no such thing as a Bronco that carves up corners."
I guess you need better driver mods? If you know ,you know. driving 80-85 MPH on constant switch backs going up and down (paved) mountains and carving them up. Since there are speed limits you can't really carve em up better then that. That's pretty damn impressive for a higher up metal brick. I imagine the 2.7 might handle a little worse with the heavier nose end? As far as "enough" neither are enough but these were the options. LOL.

Jakob1972

I don't think the soft pedal is on every 2.3l Bronco. I know ours was very "normal" feeling until we hit about 32k now it has a soft feel. I checked the pads and fluid they are still good.

I suppose it's relative too. When I first got the Bronco I was thrown forward by the instant brake bite as I am in my Wife's Fusion BUT I daily drove a Shelby (from Shelby not SVT) for 15 years and it had racing brakes that were designed to merely slow for turns when the brake was pressed and then to stop suddenly and promptly if pressed further.

As I remember the Bronco brake issue (early in the release 2021-2022) it was the 2.7L's electric brake boost system that was problematic.

Eninty

As I remember the Bronco brake issue (early in the release 2021-2022) it was the 2.7L's electric brake boost system that was problematic.

I have only seen a couple issues.🤷🏻‍♂️

A problem is one thing but a poorly designed carryover (Ranger) system that compromises daily driving dynamics is another. Again the 2.3 can delete other features that come standard with the 2.7 engine.