2.3 manual noise when engine is cold

CGBadlands21
Jan 12, 2022

Rank V

Jan 12, 2022

Had my Bronco a couple months. 2000 miles. I have the 2.3 manual in my Badlands. When I start it up in the morning I hear what sounds like a grinding, somethings loose kind of noise. When I push the clutch in it seems to go away. It also seems to go away after it has been driven a while. Anyone else experiencing this? Is it normal? I have an appointment to bring the truck in tomorrow 1/12/22. I will let everyone know how I make out.
2021 Bronco Badlands
Cactus grey
Lux Pkg 7spd
Roughstock11, F1ATX

Rank II

Apr 05, 2023

#200
Diagnostics is simple and quick. Noise is pronounced when it is cold and not noticeable when it is warmed up. Left my Bronco overnight and outside at the dealer. They picked up the noise immediately when it was started. Parts are now on backorder.
the poacher

Rank V

Apr 07, 2023

#201
Update

You're all going to love this.

As stated previously, my bronco went in on Monday for an 8:00 appointment, after three months of waiting for that appointment. Get a text from the service department guy this morning, stating that they actually didn't have all the parts to complete the fix. Something about a couple of pins that are on back order. So it sat there for four days, only getting a couple of door adjustment made.

The incompetence is astounding.
Update to the update.

Could it even get more ridiculous!!

So, I decided to talk to the Wendle Ford service department manager, while picking up my bronco after virtually nothing getting done in 4 days.

BTW there was another issue I mentioned to them when I dropped off mt bronco. The upper inner edge of my tailgate is losing paint, where it meets the rubber on the back window.

The service department manager was all apologetic and said all the right things. He recommended I leave it for a couple more days so they can at least get paint issue started on with pictures etc. This was this past Monday BTW.

Fast forward to yesterday. No communication from the dealer's service department. "Go ahead and come get it" after I had to call them. I show up and find out that nothing was done to start the paint correction process. The door adjustments they supposedly "completed" didn't appear to have had accomplished the desired outcome.

So, my bronco sat at the dealer for 10 days and nothing was done.

The trans is still grinding, the doors still need adjustment and the paint is still rubbing off.

And yes, I will be taking my bronco to a different service department.

What a joke!!
2022 4dr Badlands~Cyber Orange~MIC Top~Non Sas~2.3l MT~High Package~Roof Rails~Block Heater~Ordered 1/13/22~Build date 11/3~ In production 10/26~Window sticker 10/27~11/3 Blend date~Modules live 11/4~built email 11/6~shipped 11/14~arrived at the dealership 12/13~in the home stall 12/15
the poacher, extra toasty

Burrito Connoisseur

Apr 07, 2023

#202
FYI for those watching this thread—

There are now new part numbers in Ford's system for both the transmission and the synchronizer rings!

I will caution that new part numbers doesn't necessarily mean they will fix the issues... sometimes part numbers change for purely clerical reasons (such as a new supplier) and nothing actually changes with the part themselves. But I'm hoping it's a step in the right direction.
2022 4dr Badlands, 2.3L Manual, Mid pkg
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Instagram: @ragnar.kon
Laura, TK1215

Rank IV

Apr 10, 2023

#203
There are now new part numbers in Ford's system for both the transmission and the synchronizer rings!

I will caution that new part numbers doesn't necessarily mean they will fix the issues... sometimes part numbers change for purely clerical reasons (such as a new supplier) and nothing actually changes with the part themselves. But I'm hoping it's a step in the right direction.
Thanks for the update regarding part numbers. Does anyone have details (or know when we will have details) on when this occurred and if the rings re materially different after the p/n change? Interesting timing since Ford (not the dealer) notified end of last week that all parts for the TSB have now been received at the dealership. But the parts straggled in over a month-long period, so I'm not sure when the Synch Rings came in... Sure would be nice to know if it's worth pushing back for the updated part numbers before they tear it down...
22 Badlands 2-door, 7MT, HP Red, delivered Nov 2022
Former fords: '83 Mustang Conv, '94 Bronco XLT, '05 Excursion PSD, '10 Expedition EL EB (still the family wagon).

Burrito Connoisseur

Apr 10, 2023

#204
Thanks for the update regarding part numbers. Does anyone have details (or know when we will have details) on when this occurred and if the rings re materially different after the p/n change? Interesting timing since Ford (not the dealer) notified end of last week that all parts for the TSB have now been received at the dealership. But the parts straggled in over a month-long period, so I'm not sure when the Synch Rings came in... Sure would be nice to know if it's worth pushing back for the updated part numbers before they tear it down...

The parts system the dealers have access to doesn't say what change between part revisions. They can only see that it was revised as well as the timeline for when the old part was superseded with the new part.

So... honestly we probably will never find out unless someone does a visual inspection of both side-by-side. I will say the TSB document still lists the old part number... but considering the old part is now discontinued that'll obviously have to change at some point.
2022 4dr Badlands, 2.3L Manual, Mid pkg
YouTube: youtube.com/@ragnarkon
Instagram: @ragnar.kon

Rank 0

Apr 14, 2023

#205
Just received an email from ford on my opinion of my bronco told them of my transmission rattle ssince day one and all the complaints on forums hope they look at it
the poacher

Home, home on the range

Apr 15, 2023

#206
My Bronco has been in the shop getting the new parts for over a week. Apparently they had to order a tool for it. They tell me my Bronco is the only manual in the state they are aware of. This tool was supposed to be in by Thursday, but maybe it's on backorder like all the parts. Hubby went Thursday and took these pictures 32184.jpeg32182.jpeg32180.jpeg32178.jpeg
2022 Bronco Black Diamond 2dr 2.3L manual Hot Pepper Red. Reserved 8/7/20. Ordered 1/23/21. Reordered 10/08/21. Scheduled week of January 24th 2022, delivered 2/24/2022
the poacher

Rank IV

May 13, 2023

#207
My Bronco has been in the shop getting the new parts for over a week. Apparently they had to order a tool for it. They tell me my Bronco is the only manual in the state they are aware of. This tool was supposed to be in by Thursday, but maybe it's on backorder like all the parts. Hubby went Thursday and took these pictures 32184.jpeg32182.jpeg32180.jpeg32178.jpeg
Curious if your dealer got this TSB work done and got your Bronco back yet? Mine went in this week, with a polite warning that it could be there a while. But have a Sport to drive at least. Fingers crossed that they have this repair ironed out by now. Anyone had this done recently?.
22 Badlands 2-door, 7MT, HP Red, delivered Nov 2022
Former fords: '83 Mustang Conv, '94 Bronco XLT, '05 Excursion PSD, '10 Expedition EL EB (still the family wagon).

Rank Benevolent Dictator

May 13, 2023

#208
My Bronco has been in the shop getting the new parts for over a week. Apparently they had to order a tool for it. They tell me my Bronco is the only manual in the state they are aware of. This tool was supposed to be in by Thursday, but maybe it's on backorder like all the parts. Hubby went Thursday and took these pictures
Sorry to read that you are without your Bronco for a few days. I know how difficult that can be. Know that I sympathize with your loss.
On a positive note, good on ya for being the only 7MT in your state! You are obviously the only wise one...

HANK

May 15, 2023

#209
I got my manual Badlands in early November and it always made the light scrapping/shuffling noise, so when I brought it in for an oil change in January I asked them to look into it. I had a good idea what they were going to say since reading this forum. I am waiting on parts still and then they are replacing the transmission. They said it was ok to drive and not to worry about it.

What exactly are they going to change out and do to it?
Has the fix been successful for others?

Rank II

Jul 11, 2023

#210
My Bronco is in the shop having the 5th / 6th gear synchronizer rings replaced. It is not clear to me the difference between the original part and the replacement. They look the same. Does anybody know what was changed?

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Rank V

Jul 21, 2023

#211
My 2022 manual w 13k miles had the turbo replaced for the rumbly noise a few months ago but is now in service for transmission and synchro issue. They are saying internal damage and I’m waiting to hear if they rebuild or replace. Dropped it Monday morning and no repairs are done yet. They’re waiting on direction from Ford. Love my rig but this is a very unsettling feeling.

Rank IV

Jul 21, 2023

#212
Add another one to this list for this noise.

2021 Badlands with around 11K miles (Sept 21' production, Dec 21' pickup) .
Started noticing it at around 8,500-ish miles. Made a appointment with the dealer, and at that time appoinments were 3 months out. So, made the appointment in November 22' and brought into the dealer early February 23'.

Being it was 3 months out for the appointment I had added a couple things to the visit:
1. All for window adjustments.
2. 4WD concern. When I first noticed the noise, an unusual vibration in the gas pedal arose when in 4A and sometimes 4H. It's very consistent: hmmmmmm, vibration, hmmmmm, vibration. It's subtle, but it's there. As soon as you put it in 2H, it's gone.

Took it into the dealer, was there all day. I get a call at closing saying the it's ready for pickup. Perfect, I go to pick it up the next morning to find out nothing was done. They inform me that the transmission needs to be overhauled, but they need to order parts and will reschedule when they come in. They didn't adjust the windows and state that they've been told not to touch them and are waiting for management for repairs (report says "SSM FOR REPAIRS WILL RESCHEDULE). They also stated they thing the 4WD concern is related to the TSB.

The waiting continues. Hopefully Ford can get to the bottom with what's going on.

Update:

I had an appointment scheduled with the dealer here in town on June 21st and when I dropped my car off they were just finishing up the first Bronco (at this dealership) to have this fix. It's now 7/21 and the car is still in the shop. It was looking pretty promising to have the car back end of last week but the service manager said they had gotten air in the clutch line by accident and the tech was working through bleeding the clutch. That didn't work out so well and they ended up rebuilding the clutch master cylinder, then that turned into needing to order another "special" tool to be able to continue the work.

Hopefully this will be the last of the transmission issues when all is said and done.
Chief Ron

Rank V

Jul 21, 2023

#213
My dealer just told me they’ll check back in 2 weeks. I said excuse me? Rc doesn’t know anything. I’m going in person Monday. My 1st and last Ford unless they figure this horse s out. What a flipping fiasco.
Chief Ron

Rank IV

Jul 22, 2023

#214
My dealer just told me they’ll check back in 2 weeks. I said excuse me? Rc doesn’t know anything. I’m going in person Monday. My 1st and last Ford unless they figure this horse s out. What a flipping fiasco.

Is There a Problem with the Transmission?
There is a very definite noise problem with some 2021-2023 Ford Bronco SUVs that have a Getrag-built, MT88 7-speed transmission. Ford has acknowledged this by issuing a technical service bulletin (TSB) for some models. However, a large number of owners report that dealers say the parts needed to fix the problem are back ordered and not immediately available. There are also owners who state that the remedy prescribed by Ford to correct the condition fails.
Owners of the 2021 Ford Bronco, 2021 Ford Bronco Sport, as well as the 2022 Ford Bronco and 2023 Ford Bronco models have complained to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) about scraping and grinding noises.
Additionally, there are multiple threads in the Bronco 6G (6th generation) forum that discuss transmission noise issues. Here owners of 2021, 2022, and 2023 models confirm they have noise problems. There is a poll on the forum that asks owners if they have heard their SUVs making grinding/scraping noises. By mid-May 2023, 399 people had voted. Of these, 287 (71.9%) said they had heard these noises, 97 said they hadn’t, and 15 said they might have but weren’t sure.
Many complaints to the NHTSA and on the forum describe the noises drivers hear as well as identify when the noise happens. While some owners are aware of the TSB issued by Ford, there are complaints that it doesn’t address the cause of the problem and that it recurs after the problem has supposedly been fixed. Some say that the reason for this is that Ford is replacing the same parts used during manufacture and they manifest the same problems after a short period of time.
Other Transmission Noises
There are also complaints about rattling and loud knocking sounds that appear to be due to metal shavings in the engine oil and filter of some 2021-2023 Ford Bronco SUVs. There is no indication from Ford that these sounds are linked to the scraping and grinding noises. However, some owners speculate that they might be connected.
Similarly, while Ford doesn’t acknowledge any risk of damage to transmissions that exhibit “rational scraping” noises, there are indications of damage and potential damage from owners of affected Ford Bronco SUVs. Some owners are concerned that the transmission might fail completely.
TSB Issued on December 13, 2022
TSB 22-2371 relates only to 2021 and 2022 Ford Bronco models, not the 2021 Sport or 2023 model. More specifically, it states that it only affects vehicles equipped with an MT88 manual transmission. The MT88 is Ford’s new 7-speed (6+1 crawler gear) transmission built by Getrag that made its debut on the 2021 Ford Bronco vehicles with 2.3-liter, 4-cylinder EcoBoost engines.
The issue, according to the TSB is: “Some 2021-2022 Bronco vehicles equipped with a MT88 manual transmission may experience a rotational scraping noise in ambient temps below 10°C (50°F) and after a cold soak with the transmission in neutral, 1st, and/or 2nd gear and clutch engaged. The noise may go away as the transmission warms up. This may be due to the 5th and 6th gear synchronizer rings.”
Dealerships are advised to correct the condition by following the service procedure provided to replace the 5th and 6th gear synchronizer rings. The TSB also provides a comprehensive list of parts required for the service procedure, including service part numbers and the number of each part needed. It states that the operation should take 9.6 hours to complete and that it is covered by warranties and an extended service plan.
Apart from the fact that there are complaints that the TSB service procedure doesn’t work, there are many owners who say that the parts ordered to fix the problem aren’t available. Just one example. An owner from South Jersey who owns a Bronco Badlands, states that the service advisor said “there were a few parts on the list they’d get quick, others would be back ordered just like everything with a new model car.”
Hundreds of Owners Document Evidence
One of the forum threads was started by the Ohio-based owner of a 2022 Ford Bronco Big Bend on January 12, 2023. His intention was (and still is) to help owners of Ford Bronco vehicles who are experiencing scraping noises. The link contains videos as well as useful links to other threads and comments that relate to various issues of interest. It also suggests ways that owners can test their vehicles to assess whether or not they are affected by the fault.
On January 31, 2023, he lodged a complaint with the NHTSA citing various components as problematic: powertrain, vehicle speed control, and the fuel/propulsion system. In it, he draws attention to the fact that more than 200 owners of 20221, 2022, and 2023 7-speed manual transmission Ford Bronco models have documented their experiences on the forum.
“Most of us can’t get service done due to part supply issues and labor shortages. The bigger concern is (that) Ford is replacing (the) same parts that are being damaged, which doesn’t address the root cause of the issue. And it’s not solving (the) problem because it comes back shortly after service.” He points out that the noise is mostly only heard in temperatures below 50 °F as per Ford’s TSB 22-2371. “People are complaining that regardless of new transmissions and TSB service the noise still comes back while most of us are waiting months to even get the repairs performed. There have been no official resolutions.”
He also believes it’s a safety concern because, if the transmission fails, people could “be stuck in a dangerous situation unable to move the vehicle into gear on the highway.”
He urges the NHTSA to take his documentation on the forum seriously.
What Transmission Noises are Owners Experiencing?
2021-2023 Ford Bronco owners are experiencing exactly what TSB 22-2371 describes and more. They notice scraping or grinding noises that come from the transmission. The owner of a 2023 model states in an NHTSA complaint that he can hear the noise “when I do a cold start and leave it in neutral. If I push the clutch in it goes away. Also, I noticed it a bit louder when I am in low gears such as 1-3, even while fully warmed up.”
The owner of a 2022 model states that his new Ford Bronco has a 7-speed manual transmission that makes scraping noises. Similarly, the owner of a 2021 Ford Bronco states that there is a “loud grinding noise coming from transmission at 800 miles.”
Forum members report the same issue. For example, the owner of a Ford Bronco Badlands from New Jersey states, “When I start it up in the morning I hear what sounds like a grinding, something’s loose kind of noise. When I push the clutch in it seems to go away. It also seems to go away after it has been driven a while.” This was prior to the TSB, and the dealership maintained it was simply “a break-in thing, which I know is not the case. It drives fine, shifts easy and (the) clutch is easy to operate. Besides the noise, no issues.”
Could the Noise be Normal for the Ford Bronco
Despite the TSB, there are some dealers who say that the scraping, grinding noises are normal.
A member of the Bronco 6G forum states that the noise was obvious from 3 miles when he picked up the Bronco. It “sounds like it has gravel in it until (it’s) up to operating temp. Have over 17k on it now. A recent change is that when the clutch is pushed in for a few seconds and held, the noise goes away. It’s like a throwout bearing going out in an old Volkswagen.” He discussed the issue with the salesman he purchased from who “said it was normal for this vehicle.” He notes that his vehicle was one of the first two 2022 Broncos delivered to that dealership, and that the other was an automatic.
The owner of a 2023 model with only 60 miles on the clock was told, when he reported grinding noises in February 2023, that “the vehicle was operating as designed.” The NHTSA complaint states that the grinding sounds were evident when he shifted into neutral as well as 1st and 2nd gears. The manufacturer confirmed that the vehicle was not covered under Technical Service Bulletin: 22-2371.
Does the TSB Service Procedure Fix the Problem?
While there is a report in an NHTSA complaint that says it seems to have fixed one owner’s problem, there are multiple reports that say it makes absolutely no difference.
According to the NHTSA complaint, the rear differential seal failed causing gear oil to leak out. At the same time, there was transmission failure of the “5th gear to 6th gear synchro,” which was causing “grinding of (the) synchro, leading to possible failure.” There was no warning for either failure, but the complaint states that “the dealer has fixed both issues for now.”
Another NHTSA complaint tells a different story. A 2022 Ford Bronco was with the dealer for a month because of grinding noises. Following the TSB the dealer replaced the 5th and 6th gear synchronizer rings. But, within two days, the grinding noise was back along with shifting noises.
Many forum members have had the same unsatisfactory experience. One who said the noise came back within a week, states that they “definitely replaced bad parts. I saw it first hand. But the noise is back.”
The conundrum continues. A technician from the East Coast who owns a Bronco Base has posted photographs of the old and new replacement synchro rings. They are identical, and neither is damaged. But the noise hasn’t gone away!
An owner from Alabama states simply, “so if the TSB is using the same parts as the original…what is the point of the TSB.” Many others agree.
Will a New Transmission Fix the Problem?
The owner of a 2021 Ford Bronco Badlands from Virginia says it won’t. Writing on the forum, he states that after a year of ownership, “I am on my THIRD transmission and have been offered a fourth, which I denied. A new transmission entirely does NOT fix this problem. The sound comes back immediately. Yes, warmer months are harder to detect. But I know this sound all too well to miss even the most faint version. It most definitely gets worse over time.”
He says that he is “willing to attempt the TSB, but if this doesn’t solve the issue, it’ll be claimed a lemon. I only have until (the) end of July 2023 to file. I won’t pass on that opportunity. Not when 70%+ are reporting the issue, and we’ve heard NOTHING from FordMoCo. There is a lemon law for a reason.”
The owner of a 2021 Bronco Badlands from New York reports being on a second transmission after non-stop grinding noises as well as an oil leak from the timing chain cover. He states that dealers he called “did not want to bother with the TSB.”
Is There a Risk That This Condition Will Cause Damage?
Not only is there a risk, there are Ford Bronco owners who attest to the fact that their vehicles that experienced grinding sounds have been damaged.
The owner of a 2021 Ford Bronco Sport talks about a “metallic grinding sound when turning hard to the right under moderate acceleration” in an NHTSA complaint. The dealer found that the rear differential had been damaged “due to a lubrication issue. The dealership added more fluid and a noise reducer fluid, and returned the vehicle a week later. Issue still persists, though not as loud as before.” The complaint adds that the only symptom was “grinding/surging of transmission when turning, and upon initial acceleration.”
Pictures on the Bronco 6G forum show damaged teeth in the transmission cog of one Bronco. There are pictures of friction weld burn marks on the old parts of another Bronco, and oil has visibly discolored the metal on the cogs.
An owner from Ohio who owns a Bronco Big Bend states, “After seeing some of the damage in these transmission with only 500 miles… I have to say long term, I see catastrophic failures.”
Have There Been Any Transmission Failures?
There is a general impression that there are lots of noise issues but no failures. However, there are reports of transmission failure from owners who initially had noise issues.
For example, a forum member from Albertaexperienced the noise within 2 weeks of owning a Bronco, took it to the dealership and was told there was nothing wrong. In his initial post, the owner states that “along with the noise I get (a) nice little burning smell when I let it idle but not all the time. If I push on the clutch pedal while in neutral, the sound goes away. If I’m in gear, the sound goes away. When the noise is present, I can feel the vibrations on the gear shift knob.”
After traveling another 3,000 km (1,864 miles), the noise was getting worse. This time another dealer examined the Bronco and said it needed a new transmission – a “bad throwout bearing or something.” The SUV was returned 82 days later with a new transmission. Two days later, he sold it.
Are Metal Shavings in the Engine Oil Related to the Grinding Problem?
Nobody is sure, but the transmission makes a noise, and there are big problems.
The California owner of a Bronco Badlands is convinced that the “synchro issue is creating lots of metal fragments in the transmission fluid. I’m sure it’s a matter of time until the rest of the gearbox gets pretty chewed up as well.”
Others who report the issue are concerned. For example:
The owner of a 2022 Ford Bronco with only 60 miles states in an NHTSA complaint that “ the vehicle made abnormally loud knocking sounds.” It was towed to the dealer where metal shavings were found in the engine oil and filter. “The dealer performed an oil change and informed the contact that the two transmission pumps and the engine needed to be replaced.”
The owner of a 2023 model with less than 500 miles “noticed a strange burning smell after driving it one day. The next morning when I started it, I heard what I thought was a heat shield rattle, and as I continued to drive my Bronco to work throughout the week the noise got worse.” Again, the dealership found metal shavings and ordered a new transmission. The owner, a certified automotive technician stated: “I do not feel comfortable driving the vehicle with the transmission sounding the way it does.”
What Should You Do if Your 2021-2023 Ford Bronco has Noise-Related Transmission Issues?
If your 2021-2023 Ford Bronco is exhibiting noises that seem to be related to the transmission, start by comparing your experiences with those of other owners. If your dealer is unable to assist, after the problems recur and affect the use or value of your Ford Bronco, you may qualify to participate in our class action investigation.
All you need to do is call us at 844-928-4443 or complete our contact form. We will evaluate your case and see if you qualify.
MCBronco777, Chief Ron

Rank V

Jul 27, 2023

#215
Is There a Problem with the Transmission?
There is a very definite noise problem with some 2021-2023 Ford Bronco SUVs that have a Getrag-built, MT88 7-speed transmission. Ford has acknowledged this by issuing a technical service bulletin (TSB) for some models. However, a large number of owners report that dealers say the parts needed to fix the problem are back ordered and not immediately available. There are also owners who state that the remedy prescribed by Ford to correct the condition fails.
Owners of the 2021 Ford Bronco, 2021 Ford Bronco Sport, as well as the 2022 Ford Bronco and 2023 Ford Bronco models have complained to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) about scraping and grinding noises.
Additionally, there are multiple threads in the Bronco 6G (6th generation) forum that discuss transmission noise issues. Here owners of 2021, 2022, and 2023 models confirm they have noise problems. There is a poll on the forum that asks owners if they have heard their SUVs making grinding/scraping noises. By mid-May 2023, 399 people had voted. Of these, 287 (71.9%) said they had heard these noises, 97 said they hadn’t, and 15 said they might have but weren’t sure.
Many complaints to the NHTSA and on the forum describe the noises drivers hear as well as identify when the noise happens. While some owners are aware of the TSB issued by Ford, there are complaints that it doesn’t address the cause of the problem and that it recurs after the problem has supposedly been fixed. Some say that the reason for this is that Ford is replacing the same parts used during manufacture and they manifest the same problems after a short period of time.
Other Transmission Noises
There are also complaints about rattling and loud knocking sounds that appear to be due to metal shavings in the engine oil and filter of some 2021-2023 Ford Bronco SUVs. There is no indication from Ford that these sounds are linked to the scraping and grinding noises. However, some owners speculate that they might be connected.
Similarly, while Ford doesn’t acknowledge any risk of damage to transmissions that exhibit “rational scraping” noises, there are indications of damage and potential damage from owners of affected Ford Bronco SUVs. Some owners are concerned that the transmission might fail completely.
TSB Issued on December 13, 2022
TSB 22-2371 relates only to 2021 and 2022 Ford Bronco models, not the 2021 Sport or 2023 model. More specifically, it states that it only affects vehicles equipped with an MT88 manual transmission. The MT88 is Ford’s new 7-speed (6+1 crawler gear) transmission built by Getrag that made its debut on the 2021 Ford Bronco vehicles with 2.3-liter, 4-cylinder EcoBoost engines.
The issue, according to the TSB is: “Some 2021-2022 Bronco vehicles equipped with a MT88 manual transmission may experience a rotational scraping noise in ambient temps below 10°C (50°F) and after a cold soak with the transmission in neutral, 1st, and/or 2nd gear and clutch engaged. The noise may go away as the transmission warms up. This may be due to the 5th and 6th gear synchronizer rings.”
Dealerships are advised to correct the condition by following the service procedure provided to replace the 5th and 6th gear synchronizer rings. The TSB also provides a comprehensive list of parts required for the service procedure, including service part numbers and the number of each part needed. It states that the operation should take 9.6 hours to complete and that it is covered by warranties and an extended service plan.
Apart from the fact that there are complaints that the TSB service procedure doesn’t work, there are many owners who say that the parts ordered to fix the problem aren’t available. Just one example. An owner from South Jersey who owns a Bronco Badlands, states that the service advisor said “there were a few parts on the list they’d get quick, others would be back ordered just like everything with a new model car.”
Hundreds of Owners Document Evidence
One of the forum threads was started by the Ohio-based owner of a 2022 Ford Bronco Big Bend on January 12, 2023. His intention was (and still is) to help owners of Ford Bronco vehicles who are experiencing scraping noises. The link contains videos as well as useful links to other threads and comments that relate to various issues of interest. It also suggests ways that owners can test their vehicles to assess whether or not they are affected by the fault.
On January 31, 2023, he lodged a complaint with the NHTSA citing various components as problematic: powertrain, vehicle speed control, and the fuel/propulsion system. In it, he draws attention to the fact that more than 200 owners of 20221, 2022, and 2023 7-speed manual transmission Ford Bronco models have documented their experiences on the forum.
“Most of us can’t get service done due to part supply issues and labor shortages. The bigger concern is (that) Ford is replacing (the) same parts that are being damaged, which doesn’t address the root cause of the issue. And it’s not solving (the) problem because it comes back shortly after service.” He points out that the noise is mostly only heard in temperatures below 50 °F as per Ford’s TSB 22-2371. “People are complaining that regardless of new transmissions and TSB service the noise still comes back while most of us are waiting months to even get the repairs performed. There have been no official resolutions.”
He also believes it’s a safety concern because, if the transmission fails, people could “be stuck in a dangerous situation unable to move the vehicle into gear on the highway.”
He urges the NHTSA to take his documentation on the forum seriously.
What Transmission Noises are Owners Experiencing?
2021-2023 Ford Bronco owners are experiencing exactly what TSB 22-2371 describes and more. They notice scraping or grinding noises that come from the transmission. The owner of a 2023 model states in an NHTSA complaint that he can hear the noise “when I do a cold start and leave it in neutral. If I push the clutch in it goes away. Also, I noticed it a bit louder when I am in low gears such as 1-3, even while fully warmed up.”
The owner of a 2022 model states that his new Ford Bronco has a 7-speed manual transmission that makes scraping noises. Similarly, the owner of a 2021 Ford Bronco states that there is a “loud grinding noise coming from transmission at 800 miles.”
Forum members report the same issue. For example, the owner of a Ford Bronco Badlands from New Jersey states, “When I start it up in the morning I hear what sounds like a grinding, something’s loose kind of noise. When I push the clutch in it seems to go away. It also seems to go away after it has been driven a while.” This was prior to the TSB, and the dealership maintained it was simply “a break-in thing, which I know is not the case. It drives fine, shifts easy and (the) clutch is easy to operate. Besides the noise, no issues.”
Could the Noise be Normal for the Ford Bronco
Despite the TSB, there are some dealers who say that the scraping, grinding noises are normal.
A member of the Bronco 6G forum states that the noise was obvious from 3 miles when he picked up the Bronco. It “sounds like it has gravel in it until (it’s) up to operating temp. Have over 17k on it now. A recent change is that when the clutch is pushed in for a few seconds and held, the noise goes away. It’s like a throwout bearing going out in an old Volkswagen.” He discussed the issue with the salesman he purchased from who “said it was normal for this vehicle.” He notes that his vehicle was one of the first two 2022 Broncos delivered to that dealership, and that the other was an automatic.
The owner of a 2023 model with only 60 miles on the clock was told, when he reported grinding noises in February 2023, that “the vehicle was operating as designed.” The NHTSA complaint states that the grinding sounds were evident when he shifted into neutral as well as 1st and 2nd gears. The manufacturer confirmed that the vehicle was not covered under Technical Service Bulletin: 22-2371.
Does the TSB Service Procedure Fix the Problem?
While there is a report in an NHTSA complaint that says it seems to have fixed one owner’s problem, there are multiple reports that say it makes absolutely no difference.
According to the NHTSA complaint, the rear differential seal failed causing gear oil to leak out. At the same time, there was transmission failure of the “5th gear to 6th gear synchro,” which was causing “grinding of (the) synchro, leading to possible failure.” There was no warning for either failure, but the complaint states that “the dealer has fixed both issues for now.”
Another NHTSA complaint tells a different story. A 2022 Ford Bronco was with the dealer for a month because of grinding noises. Following the TSB the dealer replaced the 5th and 6th gear synchronizer rings. But, within two days, the grinding noise was back along with shifting noises.
Many forum members have had the same unsatisfactory experience. One who said the noise came back within a week, states that they “definitely replaced bad parts. I saw it first hand. But the noise is back.”
The conundrum continues. A technician from the East Coast who owns a Bronco Base has posted photographs of the old and new replacement synchro rings. They are identical, and neither is damaged. But the noise hasn’t gone away!
An owner from Alabama states simply, “so if the TSB is using the same parts as the original…what is the point of the TSB.” Many others agree.
Will a New Transmission Fix the Problem?
The owner of a 2021 Ford Bronco Badlands from Virginia says it won’t. Writing on the forum, he states that after a year of ownership, “I am on my THIRD transmission and have been offered a fourth, which I denied. A new transmission entirely does NOT fix this problem. The sound comes back immediately. Yes, warmer months are harder to detect. But I know this sound all too well to miss even the most faint version. It most definitely gets worse over time.”
He says that he is “willing to attempt the TSB, but if this doesn’t solve the issue, it’ll be claimed a lemon. I only have until (the) end of July 2023 to file. I won’t pass on that opportunity. Not when 70%+ are reporting the issue, and we’ve heard NOTHING from FordMoCo. There is a lemon law for a reason.”
The owner of a 2021 Bronco Badlands from New York reports being on a second transmission after non-stop grinding noises as well as an oil leak from the timing chain cover. He states that dealers he called “did not want to bother with the TSB.”
Is There a Risk That This Condition Will Cause Damage?
Not only is there a risk, there are Ford Bronco owners who attest to the fact that their vehicles that experienced grinding sounds have been damaged.
The owner of a 2021 Ford Bronco Sport talks about a “metallic grinding sound when turning hard to the right under moderate acceleration” in an NHTSA complaint. The dealer found that the rear differential had been damaged “due to a lubrication issue. The dealership added more fluid and a noise reducer fluid, and returned the vehicle a week later. Issue still persists, though not as loud as before.” The complaint adds that the only symptom was “grinding/surging of transmission when turning, and upon initial acceleration.”
Pictures on the Bronco 6G forum show damaged teeth in the transmission cog of one Bronco. There are pictures of friction weld burn marks on the old parts of another Bronco, and oil has visibly discolored the metal on the cogs.
An owner from Ohio who owns a Bronco Big Bend states, “After seeing some of the damage in these transmission with only 500 miles… I have to say long term, I see catastrophic failures.”
Have There Been Any Transmission Failures?
There is a general impression that there are lots of noise issues but no failures. However, there are reports of transmission failure from owners who initially had noise issues.
For example, a forum member from Albertaexperienced the noise within 2 weeks of owning a Bronco, took it to the dealership and was told there was nothing wrong. In his initial post, the owner states that “along with the noise I get (a) nice little burning smell when I let it idle but not all the time. If I push on the clutch pedal while in neutral, the sound goes away. If I’m in gear, the sound goes away. When the noise is present, I can feel the vibrations on the gear shift knob.”
After traveling another 3,000 km (1,864 miles), the noise was getting worse. This time another dealer examined the Bronco and said it needed a new transmission – a “bad throwout bearing or something.” The SUV was returned 82 days later with a new transmission. Two days later, he sold it.
Are Metal Shavings in the Engine Oil Related to the Grinding Problem?
Nobody is sure, but the transmission makes a noise, and there are big problems.
The California owner of a Bronco Badlands is convinced that the “synchro issue is creating lots of metal fragments in the transmission fluid. I’m sure it’s a matter of time until the rest of the gearbox gets pretty chewed up as well.”
Others who report the issue are concerned. For example:
The owner of a 2022 Ford Bronco with only 60 miles states in an NHTSA complaint that “ the vehicle made abnormally loud knocking sounds.” It was towed to the dealer where metal shavings were found in the engine oil and filter. “The dealer performed an oil change and informed the contact that the two transmission pumps and the engine needed to be replaced.”
The owner of a 2023 model with less than 500 miles “noticed a strange burning smell after driving it one day. The next morning when I started it, I heard what I thought was a heat shield rattle, and as I continued to drive my Bronco to work throughout the week the noise got worse.” Again, the dealership found metal shavings and ordered a new transmission. The owner, a certified automotive technician stated: “I do not feel comfortable driving the vehicle with the transmission sounding the way it does.”
What Should You Do if Your 2021-2023 Ford Bronco has Noise-Related Transmission Issues?
If your 2021-2023 Ford Bronco is exhibiting noises that seem to be related to the transmission, start by comparing your experiences with those of other owners. If your dealer is unable to assist, after the problems recur and affect the use or value of your Ford Bronco, you may qualify to participate in our class action investigation.
All you need to do is call us at 844-928-4443 or complete our contact form. We will evaluate your case and see if you qualify.

I was given my bronco back and told I am getting a new transmission. Just have to wait for it to come. I’ll keep this thread going with my updates. The noise is bad. I hope the new trans resolved it. I already had the turbo replaced once. My dealer seems to be working with Ford to handle it.

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Jul 27, 2023

#216
Is There a Problem with the Transmission?
There is a very definite noise problem with some 2021-2023 Ford Bronco SUVs that have a Getrag-built, MT88 7-speed transmission. Ford has acknowledged this by issuing a technical service bulletin (TSB) for some models. However, a large number of owners report that dealers say the parts needed to fix the problem are back ordered and not immediately available. There are also owners who state that the remedy prescribed by Ford to correct the condition fails.
Owners of the 2021 Ford Bronco, 2021 Ford Bronco Sport, as well as the 2022 Ford Bronco and 2023 Ford Bronco models have complained to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) about scraping and grinding noises.
Additionally, there are multiple threads in the Bronco 6G (6th generation) forum that discuss transmission noise issues. Here owners of 2021, 2022, and 2023 models confirm they have noise problems. There is a poll on the forum that asks owners if they have heard their SUVs making grinding/scraping noises. By mid-May 2023, 399 people had voted. Of these, 287 (71.9%) said they had heard these noises, 97 said they hadn’t, and 15 said they might have but weren’t sure.
Many complaints to the NHTSA and on the forum describe the noises drivers hear as well as identify when the noise happens. While some owners are aware of the TSB issued by Ford, there are complaints that it doesn’t address the cause of the problem and that it recurs after the problem has supposedly been fixed. Some say that the reason for this is that Ford is replacing the same parts used during manufacture and they manifest the same problems after a short period of time.
Other Transmission Noises
There are also complaints about rattling and loud knocking sounds that appear to be due to metal shavings in the engine oil and filter of some 2021-2023 Ford Bronco SUVs. There is no indication from Ford that these sounds are linked to the scraping and grinding noises. However, some owners speculate that they might be connected.
Similarly, while Ford doesn’t acknowledge any risk of damage to transmissions that exhibit “rational scraping” noises, there are indications of damage and potential damage from owners of affected Ford Bronco SUVs. Some owners are concerned that the transmission might fail completely.
TSB Issued on December 13, 2022
TSB 22-2371 relates only to 2021 and 2022 Ford Bronco models, not the 2021 Sport or 2023 model. More specifically, it states that it only affects vehicles equipped with an MT88 manual transmission. The MT88 is Ford’s new 7-speed (6+1 crawler gear) transmission built by Getrag that made its debut on the 2021 Ford Bronco vehicles with 2.3-liter, 4-cylinder EcoBoost engines.
The issue, according to the TSB is: “Some 2021-2022 Bronco vehicles equipped with a MT88 manual transmission may experience a rotational scraping noise in ambient temps below 10°C (50°F) and after a cold soak with the transmission in neutral, 1st, and/or 2nd gear and clutch engaged. The noise may go away as the transmission warms up. This may be due to the 5th and 6th gear synchronizer rings.”
Dealerships are advised to correct the condition by following the service procedure provided to replace the 5th and 6th gear synchronizer rings. The TSB also provides a comprehensive list of parts required for the service procedure, including service part numbers and the number of each part needed. It states that the operation should take 9.6 hours to complete and that it is covered by warranties and an extended service plan.
Apart from the fact that there are complaints that the TSB service procedure doesn’t work, there are many owners who say that the parts ordered to fix the problem aren’t available. Just one example. An owner from South Jersey who owns a Bronco Badlands, states that the service advisor said “there were a few parts on the list they’d get quick, others would be back ordered just like everything with a new model car.”
Hundreds of Owners Document Evidence
One of the forum threads was started by the Ohio-based owner of a 2022 Ford Bronco Big Bend on January 12, 2023. His intention was (and still is) to help owners of Ford Bronco vehicles who are experiencing scraping noises. The link contains videos as well as useful links to other threads and comments that relate to various issues of interest. It also suggests ways that owners can test their vehicles to assess whether or not they are affected by the fault.
On January 31, 2023, he lodged a complaint with the NHTSA citing various components as problematic: powertrain, vehicle speed control, and the fuel/propulsion system. In it, he draws attention to the fact that more than 200 owners of 20221, 2022, and 2023 7-speed manual transmission Ford Bronco models have documented their experiences on the forum.
“Most of us can’t get service done due to part supply issues and labor shortages. The bigger concern is (that) Ford is replacing (the) same parts that are being damaged, which doesn’t address the root cause of the issue. And it’s not solving (the) problem because it comes back shortly after service.” He points out that the noise is mostly only heard in temperatures below 50 °F as per Ford’s TSB 22-2371. “People are complaining that regardless of new transmissions and TSB service the noise still comes back while most of us are waiting months to even get the repairs performed. There have been no official resolutions.”
He also believes it’s a safety concern because, if the transmission fails, people could “be stuck in a dangerous situation unable to move the vehicle into gear on the highway.”
He urges the NHTSA to take his documentation on the forum seriously.
What Transmission Noises are Owners Experiencing?
2021-2023 Ford Bronco owners are experiencing exactly what TSB 22-2371 describes and more. They notice scraping or grinding noises that come from the transmission. The owner of a 2023 model states in an NHTSA complaint that he can hear the noise “when I do a cold start and leave it in neutral. If I push the clutch in it goes away. Also, I noticed it a bit louder when I am in low gears such as 1-3, even while fully warmed up.”
The owner of a 2022 model states that his new Ford Bronco has a 7-speed manual transmission that makes scraping noises. Similarly, the owner of a 2021 Ford Bronco states that there is a “loud grinding noise coming from transmission at 800 miles.”
Forum members report the same issue. For example, the owner of a Ford Bronco Badlands from New Jersey states, “When I start it up in the morning I hear what sounds like a grinding, something’s loose kind of noise. When I push the clutch in it seems to go away. It also seems to go away after it has been driven a while.” This was prior to the TSB, and the dealership maintained it was simply “a break-in thing, which I know is not the case. It drives fine, shifts easy and (the) clutch is easy to operate. Besides the noise, no issues.”
Could the Noise be Normal for the Ford Bronco
Despite the TSB, there are some dealers who say that the scraping, grinding noises are normal.
A member of the Bronco 6G forum states that the noise was obvious from 3 miles when he picked up the Bronco. It “sounds like it has gravel in it until (it’s) up to operating temp. Have over 17k on it now. A recent change is that when the clutch is pushed in for a few seconds and held, the noise goes away. It’s like a throwout bearing going out in an old Volkswagen.” He discussed the issue with the salesman he purchased from who “said it was normal for this vehicle.” He notes that his vehicle was one of the first two 2022 Broncos delivered to that dealership, and that the other was an automatic.
The owner of a 2023 model with only 60 miles on the clock was told, when he reported grinding noises in February 2023, that “the vehicle was operating as designed.” The NHTSA complaint states that the grinding sounds were evident when he shifted into neutral as well as 1st and 2nd gears. The manufacturer confirmed that the vehicle was not covered under Technical Service Bulletin: 22-2371.
Does the TSB Service Procedure Fix the Problem?
While there is a report in an NHTSA complaint that says it seems to have fixed one owner’s problem, there are multiple reports that say it makes absolutely no difference.
According to the NHTSA complaint, the rear differential seal failed causing gear oil to leak out. At the same time, there was transmission failure of the “5th gear to 6th gear synchro,” which was causing “grinding of (the) synchro, leading to possible failure.” There was no warning for either failure, but the complaint states that “the dealer has fixed both issues for now.”
Another NHTSA complaint tells a different story. A 2022 Ford Bronco was with the dealer for a month because of grinding noises. Following the TSB the dealer replaced the 5th and 6th gear synchronizer rings. But, within two days, the grinding noise was back along with shifting noises.
Many forum members have had the same unsatisfactory experience. One who said the noise came back within a week, states that they “definitely replaced bad parts. I saw it first hand. But the noise is back.”
The conundrum continues. A technician from the East Coast who owns a Bronco Base has posted photographs of the old and new replacement synchro rings. They are identical, and neither is damaged. But the noise hasn’t gone away!
An owner from Alabama states simply, “so if the TSB is using the same parts as the original…what is the point of the TSB.” Many others agree.
Will a New Transmission Fix the Problem?
The owner of a 2021 Ford Bronco Badlands from Virginia says it won’t. Writing on the forum, he states that after a year of ownership, “I am on my THIRD transmission and have been offered a fourth, which I denied. A new transmission entirely does NOT fix this problem. The sound comes back immediately. Yes, warmer months are harder to detect. But I know this sound all too well to miss even the most faint version. It most definitely gets worse over time.”
He says that he is “willing to attempt the TSB, but if this doesn’t solve the issue, it’ll be claimed a lemon. I only have until (the) end of July 2023 to file. I won’t pass on that opportunity. Not when 70%+ are reporting the issue, and we’ve heard NOTHING from FordMoCo. There is a lemon law for a reason.”
The owner of a 2021 Bronco Badlands from New York reports being on a second transmission after non-stop grinding noises as well as an oil leak from the timing chain cover. He states that dealers he called “did not want to bother with the TSB.”
Is There a Risk That This Condition Will Cause Damage?
Not only is there a risk, there are Ford Bronco owners who attest to the fact that their vehicles that experienced grinding sounds have been damaged.
The owner of a 2021 Ford Bronco Sport talks about a “metallic grinding sound when turning hard to the right under moderate acceleration” in an NHTSA complaint. The dealer found that the rear differential had been damaged “due to a lubrication issue. The dealership added more fluid and a noise reducer fluid, and returned the vehicle a week later. Issue still persists, though not as loud as before.” The complaint adds that the only symptom was “grinding/surging of transmission when turning, and upon initial acceleration.”
Pictures on the Bronco 6G forum show damaged teeth in the transmission cog of one Bronco. There are pictures of friction weld burn marks on the old parts of another Bronco, and oil has visibly discolored the metal on the cogs.
An owner from Ohio who owns a Bronco Big Bend states, “After seeing some of the damage in these transmission with only 500 miles… I have to say long term, I see catastrophic failures.”
Have There Been Any Transmission Failures?
There is a general impression that there are lots of noise issues but no failures. However, there are reports of transmission failure from owners who initially had noise issues.
For example, a forum member from Albertaexperienced the noise within 2 weeks of owning a Bronco, took it to the dealership and was told there was nothing wrong. In his initial post, the owner states that “along with the noise I get (a) nice little burning smell when I let it idle but not all the time. If I push on the clutch pedal while in neutral, the sound goes away. If I’m in gear, the sound goes away. When the noise is present, I can feel the vibrations on the gear shift knob.”
After traveling another 3,000 km (1,864 miles), the noise was getting worse. This time another dealer examined the Bronco and said it needed a new transmission – a “bad throwout bearing or something.” The SUV was returned 82 days later with a new transmission. Two days later, he sold it.
Are Metal Shavings in the Engine Oil Related to the Grinding Problem?
Nobody is sure, but the transmission makes a noise, and there are big problems.
The California owner of a Bronco Badlands is convinced that the “synchro issue is creating lots of metal fragments in the transmission fluid. I’m sure it’s a matter of time until the rest of the gearbox gets pretty chewed up as well.”
Others who report the issue are concerned. For example:
The owner of a 2022 Ford Bronco with only 60 miles states in an NHTSA complaint that “ the vehicle made abnormally loud knocking sounds.” It was towed to the dealer where metal shavings were found in the engine oil and filter. “The dealer performed an oil change and informed the contact that the two transmission pumps and the engine needed to be replaced.”
The owner of a 2023 model with less than 500 miles “noticed a strange burning smell after driving it one day. The next morning when I started it, I heard what I thought was a heat shield rattle, and as I continued to drive my Bronco to work throughout the week the noise got worse.” Again, the dealership found metal shavings and ordered a new transmission. The owner, a certified automotive technician stated: “I do not feel comfortable driving the vehicle with the transmission sounding the way it does.”
What Should You Do if Your 2021-2023 Ford Bronco has Noise-Related Transmission Issues?
If your 2021-2023 Ford Bronco is exhibiting noises that seem to be related to the transmission, start by comparing your experiences with those of other owners. If your dealer is unable to assist, after the problems recur and affect the use or value of your Ford Bronco, you may qualify to participate in our class action investigation.
All you need to do is call us at 844-928-4443 or complete our contact form. We will evaluate your case and see if you qualify.

My 2022 manual w 13k miles had the turbo replaced for the rumbly noise a few months ago but is now in service for transmission and synchro issue. They are saying internal damage and I’m waiting to hear if they rebuild or replace. Dropped it Monday morning and no repairs are done yet. They’re waiting on direction from Ford. Love my rig but this is a very unsettling feeling.

Update after TSB fix #1 and fix #2 on my manual trans Big Bend. I picked up my Bronco this past Friday. Took if for a loong drive this weekend to test out the “fix”. I am pleased to report that so far the “noise” has not returned. I was disappointed to hear Ford is only providing a 3yr warranty on the transmission though.
Chief Ron

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Jul 28, 2023

#217
Update after TSB fix #1 and fix #2 on my manual trans Big Bend. I picked up my Bronco this past Friday. Took if for a loong drive this weekend to test out the “fix”. I am pleased to report that so far the “noise” has not returned. I was disappointed to hear Ford is only providing a 3yr warranty on the transmission though.

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Jul 28, 2023

#218
Update after TSB fix #1 and fix #2 on my manual trans Big Bend. I picked up my Bronco this past Friday. Took if for a loong drive this weekend to test out the “fix”. I am pleased to report that so far the “noise” has not returned. I was disappointed to hear Ford is only providing a 3yr warranty on the transmission though.

Wouldn’t the transmission be covered by the original 5-year/60,000 mile Powertrain warranty?

Tough times makes tough people 🔨

Jul 28, 2023

#219
Wouldn’t the transmission be covered by the original 5-year/60,000 mile Powertrain warranty?

I was wondering same….strange its only 3 yrs. Hopefully there is a misunderstanding. 🐎
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