Owner manual pgs 454-7 Auxiliary Switchs 1-6 have 1.5mm(16AWG) 30AMP (#60 fuse) on 1/6 -yellow wire by firwall butunder rate for electric loads?

frankgoss
Feb 18, 2023

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Feb 18, 2023

@ Laura

Here is what a 16 AWG can do if over loaded it with current:

AWG #16 copper wire has a resistance of 4.016 Ω per 1000 feet, or 4.016 mΩ/foot, or 13.18 mΩ/m. If you need to keep the voltage drop along 1 m of wire to 100 mV or less, then you can't push more than 7.59 A thru it. If you need to limit the power dissipation to 1 W/foot, then you can't push more than 15.8 A thru it. 1 W/foot would get noticably warm, but should not be dangerously so for most uses.

If you are using it for house wiring, then it becomes a legal matter and you simply look up the answer. One chart I looked at says the limit is 3.7 A for "power transmission". That was chosen to be very conservative so that some amount of degradation and screwups can happen and your house is unlikely to burn down due to overloaded wiring. Legal limits will vary by jurisdiction and which electrical code is being applied. You will have to consult the electrical code that applies to your area and circumstance to get the answer.

That same chart that shows 3.7 A as the maximum for power transmission also shows 22 A maximum for "chassis wiring". Presumably more temperature rise is acceptable inside a Electrical chassis.( like tv, computer ,not auto, since those chassis have small fans to cool them).

Some say the ampacity of 16AWG IS 13 A. Ford elected to only use 1.5 mm foreign wire on auxiliary switch one , a 30 Amp fuse in fuse #60 location in engine power distribution box. If that relay gets blown the cost of a complete battery distribution ( fuse/relay) which is non- serviceable is say $1300.00

Ford has advertised 30-15-10 amp switches for $195 but for safety sake 16 AWG is good for 3.7A.

Recommendation:

Ford should issue a recall and change all six fuses to 2.5A not 30-15-10A as sold to be safe. The fuse must always be lower than the rating of the wire it is powering. We have the NEC and local electrical inspectors to thank for our home safety and Ford wants to sell 50% electrical vehicles(EV). Tell them they now must meet NEC rules, and stop putting cheap thin foreign wiring in our Bronco!

Below do you see 16 gauge wire in the chart. No. Just got from etrailer 10AWG for brake controller run.
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Rank V

Feb 20, 2023

#20
Well all hail the gang is here. I have. requested my dealer to remove the 30 amp fused with is significantly over rated or 30 ampacity on a 1.5mm2 wire, to prevent any future Boozo using it. He is instructed to place a 15 amp , just like switch 2 is wired.The charts should be used.

We all got a quick less o. Omh law. v× A= watts. Daisy what are you going to sire 2 feet on 1.5mm2 wire.You need10 AWG (2.5mm2). end!

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Rank V

Feb 20, 2023

#21
Here is what an electrician said about a 30 Amp feed (30 ampacity) on a 14 AWG:

"This simply will not work. The only receptacles you are allowed to put on a 30A breaker are 30A receptacles. Those are unfit for your purpose.

Further, if your expected loads are near 30A, you should be derating this by 125% (37.5A) and provisioning that much power - I.E. 40A. And they don't even make 120V/40A receptacles.

The right way to do this is to fit a sub panel and have individual circuit breakers protecting each #14 or #12 circuit.

Class dismissed!

I am also concerned about what your feed cable is? This too will be a limiting factor in your total possible load. There are ways around them, but you should not use those ways until you are well past mismatching sockets, wires and breakers."

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Feb 20, 2023

#22
Just another electrician opinion:

"I am not sure where some of the comments are coming from. To reword your question can you have a 15 amp outlet ( 1.5mm2 appliance) protected by a 30 amp breaker (fuse) NO this would be a code violation. (NEC now requires Ford to comply EV!)

If this is an existing run of #10(AWG) you could have a 30 amp outlet ( appliance) but not a 15 or 20 amp outlet ( appliance) connected to this circuit. If it is a 12 AWG wire the maximum breaker size is 20 amps. One of the few times a larger breaker can be used is for a dedicated motor load Or air conditioner (no other devices) . so the large load at the end of the line could not have a 15 amp outlet.(appliance) At this point I am guessing you changed the question since so many are talking about a 20 amp breaker but as of now are asking about a 30 amp breaker. Not legal!" See new NEC code on EV cars!

Lesson learned?

Rank I

Feb 20, 2023

#23
I may not be a smart man and admittedly know only enough about electricity to be a danger to myself, but I’m pretty certain their are worlds of difference between your 230v/120v household system and the 12v system of a vehicle. This, of course, explains why we don’t have to go to an electrician to wire our vehicles.
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Ditchrunner, thgdfathr

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Feb 20, 2023

#24
I have been sitting and pondering this very thought. I did study the solar panel wiring chart he posted. And I found a good resource regarding 12V wiring from offroaders.com Plus several links attached below the wiring chart.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...uge-to-amps/&usg=AOvVaw3sxx4RYE751He9aGXK-80h
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Ditchrunner

That's a terrible idea, when do we start?

Feb 20, 2023

#25
Please don't feed the trolls, it just encourages them...
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ResidualGenius, ChickasawNDN

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Feb 20, 2023

#26
No class here is a good lesson showing that a 30 Amp fused to 1.5mm2 @ point E will have reistence. A good graph is attached. A thin wire 1.5mm2 (15 AWG)will have greater reistence at 20 feet than 2.5mm2 ( 10AWG) Go to end of lesson on copper wires.
One more point its the Ampacity that will fry a wire not the volts! 120 /12 1/10 the volts but 30 amps is 30 amps. Tough one wire uncoated to the 12 v battery terminal and see what happens. That is why jumper and cables have insulation!

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Hard Day?? Wuuuusahhhhhhhh

Feb 20, 2023

#27
I hear crickets…
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frdfan

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Feb 20, 2023

#28
I'm just wondering then...if the wiring is ALL WRONG in the Bronco, and almost everyone who has Aux switches has likely already upfitted something--whether it be lights, light bars, ejection seats, flame throwers, mini guns, bazooka's, and of course the dreaded mini bar/fridge/keg cooler, where are all the fried Broncos??? You'd think there would be sparks flying in every driveway that hosts a 2dr/4dr, Bronco that is wired by an inexperienced weekend warrior electrician. I haven't seen any, nor have I seen any posts about them, but wait....maybe they're as elusive as the famed Wildtrak Sasquatch with a fully factory wired trailer hitch (4 pin and 7 pin connector too) with the Lux package!
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ResidualGenius, Ditchrunner

Member 2541 Jerry

Feb 20, 2023

#29
I’m just looking for the Tylenol.
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ResidualGenius, Bluestreak57

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Feb 20, 2023

#30
Please don't feed the trolls, it just encourages them...
He isn’t a troll

Yosemite here I come!

Feb 20, 2023

#31
I’m just looking for the Tylenol.
You mean Xanax
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ResidualGenius, BroncoFred

Member 2541 Jerry

Feb 20, 2023

#32
You mean Xanax
I’m in way over my head.
Cudos to the OP for the efforts.
But I’m gonna leave the electrical schematics to the Ford engineers.

I suppose a shot of bourbon may do the trick.
I know a place.
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ResidualGenius, BroncoFred

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Feb 20, 2023

#33
I’m in way over my head.
Cudos to the OP for the efforts.
But I’m gonna leave the electrical schematics to the Ford engineers.

I suppose a shot of bourbon may do the trick.
I know a place.
Or two
Haha
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ResidualGenius, 14U

That's a terrible idea, when do we start?

Feb 20, 2023

#34
He isn’t a troll
Really? Personally, I think he's the definition of one. "In slang, a troll is a person who posts or makes inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages online (such as in social media)". I find it hard to believe that he's actually sincere about any of the posts he's made. Be in any case, they are always wrong, and at best are all just an attempt to get attention, which is why I suggested that you shouldn't "feed" him what he wants ... just ignore him. Oh, crap, I just realized I'm doing it too!! LOL
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ResidualGenius, BroncoFred

Rank V

Feb 20, 2023

#35
Just another electrician opinion:

"I am not sure where some of the comments are coming from. To reword your question can you have a 15 amp outlet ( 1.5mm2 appliance) protected by a 30 amp breaker (fuse) NO this would be a code violation. (NEC now requires Ford to comply EV!)

If this is an existing run of #10(AWG) you could have a 30 amp outlet ( appliance) but not a 15 or 20 amp outlet ( appliance) connected to this circuit. If it is a 12 AWG wire the maximum breaker size is 20 amps. One of the few times a larger breaker can be used is for a dedicated motor load Or air conditioner (no other devices) . so the large load at the end of the line could not have a 15 amp outlet.(appliance) At this point I am guessing you changed the question since so many are talking about a 20 amp breaker but as of now are asking about a 30 amp breaker. Not legal!" See new NEC code on EV cars!

Lesson learned?
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uhhh.. No. Could you run through that again?
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GAN

Rank 0

Sep 23, 2024

#36
It’s really important to understand the limits of 16 AWG wire and what it can handle. When working with any wiring, make sure you know the current capacity and follow safety standards. Overloading can cause wires to overheat and lead to serious problems. Always use a fuse that matches the wire's capacity. If you're unsure, it’s best to get professional help. You could use some advice from experts like solar panels cork to make sure everything is safe and up to code.
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Deano Bronc

you can tune a guitar but can't tune a fish

Sep 29, 2024

#37
It’s really important to understand the limits of 16 AWG wire and what it can handle. When working with any wiring, make sure you know the current capacity and follow safety standards. Overloading can cause wires to overheat and lead to serious problems. Always use a fuse that matches the wire's capacity. If you're unsure, it’s best to get professional help. You could use some advice from experts like solar panels cork to make sure everything is safe and up to code.


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