After 77 years in Business my Ford dealer quit. Its now is a used car lot owned by Hyundai dealer. Why?

frankgoss
Feb 26, 2023

Rank V

Feb 26, 2023

@Laura
After buying two Broncos my old 77 year Ford Dealer, they changed hands. But he now advertise as Ford "FINISH LINE". Its look like one of those used car lots in NYC!

So why did they sell? Here is a video that gives us some clues:


In October ,2021, I got a call from my old salesman that my Spring 2021 Base Bronco order, in Rapid Red metal flake, that it was not going to be made in 2021. However, the dealers sons got two 2021 first editions. One was in show room and the salesman said I could have it that day for a $30,000 administration fee or $92,000. WOW. That's three time my MY2021 base.

I declined, and we when back to B&P and changed the MY2021 to MY 2022 with some hot pepper crappy red. Not much metal flake. The order went from 99 to 10 and in 2022 things happen like clockwork from FORD. Emails, window stickers, more emails and finally the final assembly picture.

My almost two year wait, I thought was over. Delivery Good Friday 4/15/22 . Looked nice, except that hot pepper crappy tiny metal flake paint. On Monday 4/19/22 , in service had some issues. Rusted exterior bolts!

No storage bags for doors but had front roof bags, in cargo, with mats, antenna and license plate bracket in back of Friday, but on Monday no door bags and tech decided to keep license plate bracket ! Bags?

The harness and on board door bags, that dealer GM said were now only factory options. Then the story changed , no more harness being sold and on board bags; became garage storage bags. Take doors off in driveway, put in bags, put bags,in your garage, but yellow sticker on inside door channel say" Dont drive with doors off on highways". Ford's attorneys got to MAP! Now put doors on when going off driveway!

Next issue was trailer lighting and tow package , not available on base , so Ford Accessories said buy $125 generic Bronco trailer lighting module(6amps) and dealer must install originally for $220 labor now $264.
However, dealers are independently owned "crap" and seven said no!

On 9/12/22 , I had an issue with the $195 auxiliary switches wires. Non currant point E .This Monday brought in Bronco for oil change, break in oil ,according to new service mgr., but asked that the 30 A fuse in fuse box #60 be swapped out, switch one from 30 A to same as switch #2 15A (#61) because same thin 16 ga. wires were on the two current 30-15A circuits, that could be connected to the 5 non current thin 16 ga wires. Did not want grandson getting burnt!

The service writer refused to have tech continue his 9/12/22 "No action taken" report and stated Ford Field Engineer stated " DONT TOUCH WIRING OR FUSES FROM FACTORY" He would not write in RO anything, just oil change requested. I confirm with new service mgr who concurred and instructed me to have break in oil changed at 1500 miles.

The service writer complied with my request for a jar of old break in oil ( real dirty) and original oil filter. Having has several diesel pushers motor homes, and my brother over the road hauler, oil analysis is a normal maintenance item, like blood test, you get, when you get old.

So why am, I so concerned about my base Bronco?

Well my grandson was given at 18 our old 2004 Explorer Eddie Bauer with 55 k miles and my daughter put in new brakes for him. Now with a second brake job and suspension work, since it was used to launch boats nearby, it need work ( now $5,000 repairs, brakes, tires , front control arm, rear springs over shocks and recently,second wheel bearing, hub, and knuckle) Current miles 93k.

The 100,000 V8 tune up due and all local techs are refusing ,due to spark plugs breaking when being removed and parts entering cylinder head. Bummer.The Explorer is facing death, after 20 years of service say $1750 a year depreciation. Not bad, but the 4.6 V8 is strong as ever, just the body is rusting away. Ford like. Sounds like me at 79 years old.

I am so upset with Ford Motor Company, I called my Range Rover Sport Florida dealer and asked last spring to be place on his DEFENDER allocation wait list. On Christmas Eve. 2022 got email MY23.5 build order, no money down. WOW!

Next , while servicing my RANGE ROVER SPORT a local tech said he did a tow hitch and wiring plug and play, but his body shop charges $4000.00 to remove bumper, etc and kit was $1200 from JLR dealer. $5,600 . So emailed DEFENDER dealer to add $1850 trailer package with air suspension, terrain 2, customised (GOAT), back up dial wheel controls, etc. Total $58k, same price as say a Wildcat. 18 " on AS.

Keep in mind where Ford got TERRAIN MANAGEMENT systems from.

Finally, if you read this far:

Selling Base Bronco to grandson, now 24 and asked him to pay $100 a week from his job. Deal, net price say $11000, since I will continue loan payments. He wanted one of our Jags, but XF with Ford coyote V8 was same as my RRS and dealer gave good trade on Jag , on base, when prices were high ( down 18% now)!

Only remaining item was to get Bronco under-coated for $600, if going on beaches. Those frame square tubes are only painted no zinc dip, 33" tires he wants say $800 discounted , since works for Walmart.

Will the Bronco hold up for 20 years like the Eddie Baurer V8 or will it rust and the 2.3L start getting burnt oil on piston , air intake manifold, and values?. And will the new "FINISH LINE" Ford dealer , when Hyandia never finished a Rolex 24 race like that GT EGO BOOST won several times, stay viable, that is the question?

Across the highway is a large Jeep dealer. Jeeps all over the lots, not crappy used cars, few Explorers one high priced Bronco, and mostly F150's. Jeeps sell well here! Niece drives Wrangler.ok but not a DEFENDER.

Why are Ford dealers sell out?
jimFish
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O-===-O BRONCO, Trail Rated is standard

Feb 27, 2023

#20
This person is either seriously unhinged, or their account was hacked and is now generating content with chatGPT.
I hope they find happiness with the Bronco or elsewhere. Alot of incoherent rambling posts, I wonder if we're being trolled.
jimFish, magicrobots

O-===-O BRONCO, Trail Rated is standard

Feb 27, 2023

#21
Farley's head is on the block, he missed his goals.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ford-ceo-farley-must-be-fired/ar-AA17zaIr

Executive Chair Bill Ford said it is the most important product launch in his tenure at Ford. He even commented that Lightning was the most critical product introduction since the Model T about a century ago. CEO Jim Farley has bungled it.
Lee Iaccoa was let go for much less

The fact of the matter is he has not come through like he said he would. He said so himself.Farley put too much into EV, while GM is investing in its future.They will own all the business Farley is throwing away.

GM is making its commitment to future V8-powered vehicles more official, with a $918 million investment spanning four manufacturing sites in the United States. That number is divided between $854 million for the next-generation GM Small Block V8 (Gen VI), and the other $64 million to support future EV production.
I'm not a fan and think there have been many missteps but there have been unprecedented times that nobody could have foreseen nor defeated. Although putting the Mustang name and horse on the Mach E Pinto is crime enough to be tarred and feathered so... Ford as a Brand should have had enough materials proactively procured to make x number of Broncos,Lightnings Mach E's ect before even announcing them. Either create from within or co-op with new suppliers. It is quite obnoxious that this guy always seems to be on social media trying to pick fights with Ford's fan base. If he's does go I volunteer my services to @Ford Motor Company to track Mach 1's and GT500s and off roading Braptors ect.

O-===-O BRONCO, Trail Rated is standard

Feb 27, 2023

#22
I didn't have the patience to read through this entire post or attached opinions so forgive me if someone found a more concise way to say this: dealers are independently owned and any one of them is just as likely to be run by the local Grand Poobah of the Royal Order of the Bozos than by a competent and reliable representative of any automotive brand. Finding a good and trustworthy salesperson can be equally as challenging.
I think you meant to reply to the OPs post
Umichigan

I wandered and got lost, again.

Feb 27, 2023

#23
@Laura
After buying two Broncos my old 77 year Ford Dealer, they changed hands. But he now advertise as Ford "FINISH LINE". Its look like one of those used car lots in NYC!

So why did they sell? Here is a video that gives us some clues:

In October ,2021, I got a call from my old salesman that my Spring 2021 Base Bronco order, in Rapid Red metal flake, that it was not going to be made in 2021. However, the dealers sons got two 2021 first editions. One was in show room and the salesman said I could have it that day for a $30,000 administration fee or $92,000. WOW. That's three time my MY2021 base.

I declined, and we when back to B&P and changed the MY2021 to MY 2022 with some hot pepper crappy red. Not much metal flake. The order went from 99 to 10 and in 2022 things happen like clockwork from FORD. Emails, window stickers, more emails and finally the final assembly picture.

My almost two year wait, I thought was over. Delivery Good Friday 4/15/22 . Looked nice, except that hot pepper crappy tiny metal flake paint. On Monday 4/19/22 , in service had some issues. Rusted exterior bolts!

No storage bags for doors but had front roof bags, in cargo, with mats, antenna and license plate bracket in back of Friday, but on Monday no door bags and tech decided to keep license plate bracket ! Bags?

The harness and on board door bags, that dealer GM said were now only factory options. Then the story changed , no more harness being sold and on board bags; became garage storage bags. Take doors off in driveway, put in bags, put bags,in your garage, but yellow sticker on inside door channel say" Dont drive with doors off on highways". Ford's attorneys got to MAP! Now put doors on when going off driveway!

Next issue was trailer lighting and tow package , not available on base , so Ford Accessories said buy $125 generic Bronco trailer lighting module(6amps) and dealer must install originally for $220 labor now $264.
However, dealers are independently owned "crap" and seven said no!

On 9/12/22 , I had an issue with the $195 auxiliary switches wires. Non currant point E .This Monday brought in Bronco for oil change, break in oil ,according to new service mgr., but asked that the 30 A fuse in fuse box #60 be swapped out, switch one from 30 A to same as switch #2 15A (#61) because same thin 16 ga. wires were on the two current 30-15A circuits, that could be connected to the 5 non current thin 16 ga wires. Did not want grandson getting burnt!

The service writer refused to have tech continue his 9/12/22 "No action taken" report and stated Ford Field Engineer stated " DONT TOUCH WIRING OR FUSES FROM FACTORY" He would not write in RO anything, just oil change requested. I confirm with new service mgr who concurred and instructed me to have break in oil changed at 1500 miles.

The service writer complied with my request for a jar of old break in oil ( real dirty) and original oil filter. Having has several diesel pushers motor homes, and my brother over the road hauler, oil analysis is a normal maintenance item, like blood test, you get, when you get old.

So why am, I so concerned about my base Bronco?

Well my grandson was given at 18 our old 2004 Explorer Eddie Bauer with 55 k miles and my daughter put in new brakes for him. Now with a second brake job and suspension work, since it was used to launch boats nearby, it need work ( now $5,000 repairs, brakes, tires , front control arm, rear springs over shocks and recently,second wheel bearing, hub, and knuckle) Current miles 93k.

The 100,000 V8 tune up due and all local techs are refusing ,due to spark plugs breaking when being removed and parts entering cylinder head. Bummer.The Explorer is facing death, after 20 years of service say $1750 a year depreciation. Not bad, but the 4.6 V8 is strong as ever, just the body is rusting away. Ford like. Sounds like me at 79 years old.

I am so upset with Ford Motor Company, I called my Range Rover Sport Florida dealer and asked last spring to be place on his DEFENDER allocation wait list. On Christmas Eve. 2022 got email MY23.5 build order, no money down. WOW!

Next , while servicing my RANGE ROVER SPORT a local tech said he did a tow hitch and wiring plug and play, but his body shop charges $4000.00 to remove bumper, etc and kit was $1200 from JLR dealer. $5,600 . So emailed DEFENDER dealer to add $1850 trailer package with air suspension, terrain 2, customised (GOAT), back up dial wheel controls, etc. Total $58k, same price as say a Wildcat. 18 " on AS.

Keep in mind where Ford got TERRAIN MANAGEMENT systems from.

Finally, if you read this far:

Selling Base Bronco to grandson, now 24 and asked him to pay $100 a week from his job. Deal, net price say $11000, since I will continue loan payments. He wanted one of our Jags, but XF with Ford coyote V8 was same as my RRS and dealer gave good trade on Jag , on base, when prices were high ( down 18% now)!

Only remaining item was to get Bronco under-coated for $600, if going on beaches. Those frame square tubes are only painted no zinc dip, 33" tires he wants say $800 discounted , since works for Walmart.

Will the Bronco hold up for 20 years like the Eddie Baurer V8 or will it rust and the 2.3L start getting burnt oil on piston , air intake manifold, and values?. And will the new "FINISH LINE" Ford dealer , when Hyandia never finished a Rolex 24 race like that GT EGO BOOST won several times, stay viable, that is the question?

Across the highway is a large Jeep dealer. Jeeps all over the lots, not crappy used cars, few Explorers one high priced Bronco, and mostly F150's. Jeeps sell well here! Niece drives Wrangler.ok but not a DEFENDER.

Why are Ford dealers sell out?
I didn't have the patience to read through this entire post or attached opinions so forgive me if someone found a more concise way to say this: dealers are independently owned and any one of them is just as likely to be run by the local Grand Poobah of the Royal Order of the Bozos than by a competent and reliable representative of any automotive brand. Finding a good and trustworthy salesperson can be equally as challenging.
"No matter where you go, there you are."
IG: Buckaroo_Bronco

Rank V

Feb 27, 2023

#24
Have you ever seen a person in a gasoline fire vehicle, as a volunteer fireman for 8 years until I moved out of my district, I have. A young lady in a high speed highway accident, I have, a neighbor smoking househouse, down my block, no time for drive to firehouse, I have.

World Trade 9/11, a client was director on 86 floor, but luckyaly retired before planes came in, he was the former director of JFK international airport. My son worked the 93 WORLD TRADE AND 9;11 and met a friend, Captain ' under Battallon Chief. NYC EPA fired him next morning, for sending emails that air was not safe, and over 3,000 died so far, not following his recommendations. He has two MS' and makes Ukraine missiles to stop the Reds!

And as it was said " frankly,xxxx I give a dam" on the first US CIVIL WAR big Gone with the Wind!

I give a dam for my grandson safety, who is buying this unsafe "AS IS"MY22 Bronco. He will post his likes. He is looking forward, but fuse #60 30A will be replaced like the chart below says. READ IT!😥😥

Bronco and Maverick were hugh marketing success, but upper management fell. MAP can only produce 10-12k a month and that 10 months for reservation holders build out.

We all know what happen in USA, but Asian car makers had very few issues, they made the chips. Biden signed Chip bill, but too late for reservation holders. Ramp up time years not month. One of my clients was Intel manufacturing director. Big money now has Gulfstream jet.

Good luck, and last week my service writer refused to have a tech change out 30A fuse to 15 A $1.65 part I bought. Asked why, he said his FMC Zone Field Engineer said dont touch any BRONCO wiring. Period! He would not log in service request. So why is FMC stonewalling on wiring. New NEC codes for EV?

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Friendly Neighborhood Sasquatch

Feb 27, 2023

#25
Sorry, I held out as long as I could. This guy's nuts. Putting on ignore.
BroncoFred

Broncoless… for now

Feb 27, 2023

#26
You can only do what you can do in this world. If you start thinking of all the white noise out there, I think you'll go crazy.
2023 Bronco,Black Diamond 🏴‍☠️ Velocity Blue 🟦, 4Door, SAS, MIC, Mid, 2.7m, Orig Order: 9/10/21 Blend Date: 11/30/22. Built: 12/02, Shipped 12/4, Arrived at dealer on 12/23, Took possession on 12/30/22!!! 476 Days after ordering.
Goodyear, AZ 🌵🔆

Mud,Sweat and Gears

Feb 27, 2023

#27
Frank you can hardly compare 911 to a Bronco, it's just in bad taste.

Ford has built dozens of Broncos and none have caught on fire.

If you are that worried about it, just sell it at 10k mark up and get something else.
Joined May 29, 2020 Member 546
Darrel, frdfan

Rank V

Feb 27, 2023

#28
He posted the same ramblings earlier on a post from nearly a year ago...I feel for Laura. Someone here taught him how to tag her a few months ago.
22 BB 4dr SAS 2.7 Mid Pkg Hot Pepper Red, Delivered 8/25
Previous 2019 F150 Ruby Red SCrew 3.5 Eco, XLT Sport/FX4 302A

Gas Can Devastation caused by Colorado Elevation

Feb 27, 2023

#29
Frank……..
Hey Frank!
Listen to me very carefully!
What you need to do is make yourself a nice tall glass of your favorite spirit, and if you can’t think of any, well then I would say start with a glass of piña colada blended or on the rocks.
Now head to your back door and slide it open, head to a chair on your deck, rather it being a lawn chair or bar stool it doesn’t really matter.
Have a seat and look all around you, take in all the visuals and at the same time take a deep breath and let it out, do this a couple of times until you feel nice and relaxed and you feel there’s no problems going on around you.
A smile would also help as you look around you and breathe in the air…..
What you need to do is go on a vacation somewhere, where you can relax and not have to think of all the problems that you have been having lately, just a little fun in the 🌞….
@ Laura does not have all the answers you seek and neither do any of the staff members or Moderators or even any of the Members here at Bronco Nation have all the answers, we’ll try to answer the best we can, just don’t call people out on it to answer your question, leave it up to everyone….
Your posts are pretty lengthy, just some words of advice, sometimes More is Less, so just get to the point and make it short and sweet…..
The longer your post is the more likelihood most will not finish reading it.

Remember:

Kick back and relax……
Take a couple of deep breaths….
Take it all in when your outside, and enjoy it…….
Not everyone has all the answers you are seeking……
Don’t call people out, to answer your questions……
Sometimes More is Less…..
Get to the point and make it short and sweet…….

I hope this works for you, good luck to you Frank….🙂
*632* Days to get A 2021 - 2022 -
2023 Big Bend - 2 Door 2.3L Velocity Blue, Squatched, Mid package, Running Boards, Roof Rack, and Engine Block heater.
BroncoFred, Bronco V-8

Rank: Jedi Master

Feb 27, 2023

#30
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2022 Big Bend, 4 door, Cactus Grey, on 285/70/17 KO2s
magicrobots, Darrel

I wandered and got lost, again.

Feb 27, 2023

#31
Frank……..
Hey Frank!
Listen to me very carefully!
What you need to do is make yourself a nice tall glass of your favorite spirit, and if you can’t think of any, well then I would say start with a glass of piña colada blended or on the rocks.
Now head to your back door and slide it open, head to a chair on your deck, rather it being a lawn chair or bar stool it doesn’t really matter.
Have a seat and look all around you, take in all the visuals and at the same time take a deep breath and let it out, do this a couple of times until you feel nice and relaxed and you feel there’s no problems going on around you.
A smile would also help as you look around you and breathe in the air…..
What you need to do is go on a vacation somewhere, where you can relax and not have to think of all the problems that you have been having lately, just a little fun in the 🌞….
@ Laura does not have all the answers you seek and neither do any of the staff members or Moderators or even any of the Members here at Bronco Nation have all the answers, we’ll try to answer the best we can, just don’t call people out on it to answer your question, leave it up to everyone….
Your posts are pretty lengthy, just some words of advice, sometimes More is Less, so just get to the point and make it short and sweet…..
The longer your post is the more likelihood most will not finish reading it.

Remember:

Kick back and relax……
Take a couple of deep breaths….
Take it all in when your outside, and enjoy it…….
Not everyone has all the answers you are seeking……
Don’t call people out, to answer your questions……
Sometimes More is Less…..
Get to the point and make it short and sweet…….

I hope this works for you, good luck to you Frank….🙂
Ah ha! Fear not for I have all the answers that you seek. Wisdom is a fountain with leaky pipes from which you may suckle from the rusty plumbing! Lettuce begin with the first of many gems: no matter where you go, there you are!
"No matter where you go, there you are."
IG: Buckaroo_Bronco
Darrel, BroncOitis

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