40 MPG by 2026?

You have a Bronco that gets 17 mpg and another vehicle, an F150 that gets 63 mpg.

You offer an electric version that gets 45 mpg and the rest of the fleet are offered with twin turbo designs that get 23 mpg, then you offer electric Explorers. It's a shell game. Actually, it's why cars are being dropped and the ones that take their place are electric. it just is.

They didn't just throw the number out. Prior to President Trump, that number was published many years ago as a target. Since the number is average across the entire fleet, that means Ford and other manufacturers will likely build high efficiency, low volume vehicles that they will sell at a loss to drive their average economy up.

All the manufacturers have already been doing this in California for a few years with their Compliance Cars.

Fleet average MPG targets is the only reason the aston martin cygnet ever existed.

Yep it is also why you can get a Chevy Silverado 1500 with a 2.7l 4-banger. Oh and their baby duramax that gets 33 mpg in a half ton truck.

AcesandEights

You have a Bronco that gets 17 mpg and another vehicle, an F150 that gets 63 mpg.

You offer an electric version that gets 45 mpg and the rest of the fleet are offered with twin turbo designs that get 23 mpg, then you offer electric Explorers. It's a shell game. Actually, it's why cars are being dropped and the ones that take their place are electric. it just is.

They screwed the consumer with that game.
People can't afford 60k electric cars, there are no under 20k cars available from Ford.Not everyone wants to drive an SUV either.Ford made a big mistake and threw away 300k units. Now min wage workers can't afford cars so they expect min wage to be jacked up so they can buy an EV?
The wage earners above the min wage level aren't getting a raise, the difference between skilled labor and grunts is closed.
The politicians talk about wage in equality, what about the guys who spent 4 years in an apprentice program are only making a few bucks more than the uneducated min wage grunt who got a raise by default. We can't get people to work now. THANKS FERD

Bronco V-8

They screwed the consumer with that game.
People can't afford 60k electric cars, there are no under 20k cars available from Ford
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Not yet... But they will come even if Ford has to sell them at a loss. That's what a compliance car is, buying average corporate efficiency.

Sure you’ll eventually have the majority of vehicles able to get to a higher mpg, but what will they charge for fuel when the demand drops because you don’t need as much as often?!? $10, $12, $15 a gallon?

BadSas

Sure you’ll eventually have the majority of vehicles able to get to a higher mpg, but what will they charge for fuel when the demand drops because you don’t need as much as often?!? $10, $12, $15 a gallon?

Doubled eedged sword for sure ,but its not going to happen over night especially now and who knows what carbon capture will effect.It can take away the whole need for all this phony EV carbon reduction. I'm afraid that the commercial possibilities with carbon capture will lower carbon to dangerous levels.
Anyone thats offered free raw material for a product will go for it in a big way.

Yeah it’s a double-edged sword for sure.

Good because it will reduce consumer costs overall as the highest expense for most vehicle owners is the fuel itself. Good from a geopolitical standpoint—reduces our economy’s overall dependence on oil and makes it more resilient to spikes in global oil prices. Also makes it easier to become (and stay) energy independent. Definitely some big upsides.

Obviously bad for those who really like big V8 engines. Also bad for those (like me) who love manual transmissions.

A lot of people think that it’ll make vehicles more expensive, but I don’t really think it’ll have that much of an impact at this point—that ship had sailed. The American auto manufacturers have already cut the vast majority of the cheaper low-cost vehicles out of their lineup because most Americans rather buy SUVs or pickups. (Ford even cut my beloved Focus from their lineup in the NA market :cry:). Most of the auto manufacturers had already announced they were all-in on electrified vehicles, and Ford lowest cost vehicle is now an hybrid pickup truck. The cost of that pickup truck is now lower than the cost of many of the compact cars sold by the foreign auto manufacturers, so hard to argue that this will increase prices beyond the current levels.

So ultimately I’m not sure if this new MPG target really changed anything. We and the vehicle market were already headed in that direction.

I view this whole gas thing like I view the whole covid scenario

Really frikin stupid!!!

Thank you

Scoops

I view this whole gas thing like I view the whole covid scenario

Really frikin stupid!!!

Thank you

Yep...and both of them are going to kill you...don't ya know!!

Ford announces new 2023 model to help raise fleet mpg.

Turbo diesel would definitely help, but between the price of emissions crap, 4dr and current diesel prices, its a wash

still, torque for off-roading

RagnarKon

Yeah it’s a double-edged sword for sure.

Good because it will reduce consumer costs overall as the highest expense for most vehicle owners is the fuel itself. Good from a geopolitical standpoint—reduces our economy’s overall dependence on oil and makes it more resilient to spikes in global oil prices. Also makes it easier to become (and stay) energy independent. Definitely some big upsides.

Obviously bad for those who really like big V8 engines. Also bad for those (like me) who love manual transmissions.

A lot of people think that it’ll make vehicles more expensive, but I don’t really think it’ll have that much of an impact at this point—that ship had sailed. The American auto manufacturers have already cut the vast majority of the cheaper low-cost vehicles out of their lineup because most Americans rather buy SUVs or pickups. (Ford even cut my beloved Focus from their lineup in the NA market :cry:). Most of the auto manufacturers had already announced they were all-in on electrified vehicles, and Ford lowest cost vehicle is now an hybrid pickup truck. The cost of that pickup truck is now lower than the cost of many of the compact cars sold by the foreign auto manufacturers, so hard to argue that this will increase prices beyond the current levels.

So ultimately I’m not sure if this new MPG target really changed anything. We and the vehicle market were already headed in that direction.

The thing is you could buy a Focus for under 20k. What was Ford thinking when they dropped the affordable car for a car that is not affordable? Ford was making money on those 300,000 sedans they cancelled, just not as much profit as trucks but the were making a profit not losing money like the popular myth says.
what are they going to sell to the Focus market? NOTHING.
They cheapest pickup you can use is 45k
Ford better come up with a car under 20k.

You'll still be able to buy the same vehicles you can right now, they'll just tax the hell out of whatever you buy based on its mpg under 40mpg :) :) Getting ready, it's coming. Gas guzzler/SUV/Non-Green Compliant tax or whatever you'd like to call it.

Half a dozen years ago, the auto manufactures diverted all R&D engine money to electric vehicle development. The 7.3 Godzilla is one of the last "new" developed engines. There will be ICE engines available for some time, concurrently with EV's. As EV technology continues to develop, and it's developing fast, you will be welcoming an EV in your life and not because of a mandate, instead because you will want one. I'm passionate about cars, high hp engines, and just love ICE engines and will have them the rest of my life, however I envision an EV for a daily driver someday and I will want one because EV's are going to be that good.

Speed Devil

Turbo diesel would definitely help, but between the price of emissions crap, 4dr and current diesel prices, its a wash

still, torque for off-roading

Diesel here is 5.24/gal as of this morning plus you have to add the cost of DEF.Then add the cost of fuel wasted during regen.

Bronco V-8

The thing is you could buy a Focus for under 20k. What was Ford thinking when they dropped the affordable car for a car that is not affordable? Ford was making money on those 300,000 sedans they cancelled, just not as much profit as trucks but the were making a profit not losing money like the popular myth says.
what are they going to sell to the Focus market? NOTHING.
They cheapest pickup you can use is 45k
Ford better come up with a car under 20k.

Ford doesn't need to unless Americans start buying cars again and their models with higher profit margins become unpopular. The primary benefit of a car is MPG rating, and with hybrids now being roughly the same cost as a ICE, it doesn't make sense for Ford to go back to cars unless they become popular again. At the moment cars are not popular at all... it's all about the crossovers... so Ford isn't going to come out with a new car anytime soon.

If you are a young person shopping for their first vehicle after landing their first major job... you can get a compact Toyota Corolla ICE starting at $20,175, or you can get a Ford Maverick hybrid for $19,995. Obviously it is no-brainer to get the Maverick for most young people. Even if you go slightly larger and start talking about family vehicles... you can get a lower trim Toyota Camry for $26,935... or you can get a lower trim Escape Hybrid for $29,170. For ~$2200 difference most American families are probably going to go with the crossover.

For me, as someone who really likes compact cars... I am disappointed. But I completely understand why Ford did what they did. It makes sense from a business perspective, especially since they haven't been a market leader for any of the car segments (other than pony cars) since the early 1990s. I do hope the Ford Focus makes a return someday--ideally before my current Focus dies. I'd even be okay if they brought something better than the EcoSport stateside--like the Ford Puma. (EcoSport is just ugly as sin imo.)

I'm talking about what Ford offers.The Escape is 30k well out of the 20k range.The Maverick is a truck , trucks can be a problem with parkways, ramp garages and some neighborhoods don't allow them parked in the driveway over night, they have to be inside.