Your next Ford May Have VW Powertrain ??!!..

Kenneth
Jun 11, 2025

KCsBronco

Wed at 3:14 pm

Guess I'm WAY out of touch!!

Ford Exec Says Customers Stopped Caring About Powertrains

The ongoing pivot toward large scale EV production has produced some strange bedfellows, namely the Blue Oval’s extensive partnership with Volkswagen. Although the transition hasn’t resulted in a dramatic culling of the automaker’s internal combustion lineup, in the coming years, the company’s offerings may feature engines and transmission from outside companies. That’s based on recent comments from a Ford executive, who suggested that the company may leave powertrain production to other companies.

As first reported by Automotive News, Ford Vice Chair John Lawler spoke at the 2025 Bernstein Strategic Decisions Conference about constraints facing automakers that have to finance internal combustion and fully electric vehicle development. Cutting costs is one of the more obvious ways that the company can better position itself against its competitors, and based on his comments, Ford is very likely thinking about moving away from producing engines and transmissions to a model that utilizes powertrains sourced from other companies.
“I think powertrains — ICE powertrains over time are going to need to consolidate, and they’re not going to be differentiated. I don’t think that consumers really think about powertrains the way they did 30 years ago, where it defined what a vehicle was, the horsepower, the displacement, the torque and everything about the vehicle, I think a lot of that is gone. And so does everybody need to develop the next 4-cylinder and 6- cylinder as that arc comes?”

As vice chair, Lawler’s responsibilities include a focus on strategy, partnerships, and alliances, according to the automaker. That he means his comments may preview the Blue Oval’s long term plans to rely on outside companies for engines and transmissions. As for timing, any powertrain production shift would be years away, if the 2023 UAW bargaining agreement’s terms remain unchanged into 2028. Ford is planning to keep producing its 8-speed and 10-speed automatic transmissions for at least another three years, along with its EcoBoost and naturally aspirated V8 engines. Beyond that, the company could take advantage of its current partnerships for future vehicles. As Ford Authority recently reported, Lawler himself said internal combustion engines aren’t going awayanytime soon, so it would have to rely on outsourcing if it planned to move away from homegrown powertrains.

What would a future without Ford powertrains look like? Europe could provide the answer. The VW-based Ford Transit Connect uses Ford EcoBoost and EcoBlue branding throughout its lineup, despite the fact that the powertrains were fully developed by the German automaker. The partnership also enabled Ford to build the Explorer and Capri EVs off the VW MEB platform. Additionally, Ford builds the Ranger-based Amarok pickup and Transit Custom based Transporter for the company, complete with Blue Oval engines and transmissions, so it’s reasonable to assume the company could walk away from producing powertrains for certain vehicle segments in favor of a mixed model.

https://fordauthority.com/2025/06/ford-exec-says-customers-stopped-caring-about-powertrains/
Chief Ron, Unicorn

Gladesmen

Yesterday at 3:10 pm

#1
Hmmm this is a great idea…
I wonder why they never thought about this before.
Ford you remember. They did this in their pickup line back in the late 90’s early 00’s and got one of the best engines ever from International Navistar in the 7.3L Powerstroke diesel. But then they had to go a fix what wasn’t broken and brought us back to back turds the 6.0L and 6.4L Powerstrokes after the 6.4 Ford went back to making the diesel themselves I wonder why???? Learn from history please.

To be fair when that 6.0l ran it was impressive, unfortunately that was not very often.
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Kenneth, Deano Bronc
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Yesterday at 6:53 pm

#2
I can't say I know much about VW's powertrains, so I won't comment on that. I do think Lawler is correct in that the general population doesn't care much past "Is it reliable?" However, while not all Ford vehicles are enthusiast vehicles, there are many that are, and it seems interesting to consider outsourcing what defines a vehicle, in his words, in another 3+ years.

That's why it's so important to me Ford sees us all using our Broncos in the ways we see fit, even if that's just being really passionate about what they are in features and looks on-road. I would hate for them to change too much or have less capability.
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Kenneth, Sven

Rank V

Yesterday at 11:21 pm

#3
I don't see the future in EV. If folks aren't forced to buy them numbers will remain small, IMO. I also don't understand why Ford and others don't bring the production back into the USA. I'll leave it there for now.
BostonBadlands

you can tune a guitar but can't tune a fish

Today at 12:23 am

#4
I can't say I know much about VW's powertrains, so I won't comment on that. I do think Lawler is correct in that the general population doesn't care much past "Is it reliable?" However, while not all Ford vehicles are enthusiast vehicles, there are many that are, and it seems interesting to consider outsourcing what defines a vehicle, in his words, in another 3+ years.

That's why it's so important to me Ford sees us all using our Broncos in the ways we see fit, even if that's just being really passionate about what they are in features and looks on-road. I would hate for them to change too much or have less capability.

Don't worry they will ruin the Bronco too.They are just building cookie cutter appliances.
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