Will Ford ever Ramp Production ? . . When ?

Lucchese

Nov 07, 2021

How long is our wait ?
A lot depends whether Ford can ramp production anytime soon -

They have more than 200,000 unscheduled orders. If production is not ramped, a lot of us could be waiting quite a while -
So far it's been limping along - only few or several thousand a month - for '21 they made 33,207 so far - see Ford October Press Release below -

What's November forecast ? . . December ?

For rest of '21 Ford may have decided to punt - still limping along -
The latest scheduling was Oct 28. And before that Sept 30.
Now no more for build weeks in '21 -
'22 January scheduling expected this week 11/18 -

Will Ford ramp production in '22 ?
The apologistas try to wave off as 'supply chain issues' -
Ford also has big problems w design & production - e.g. dozens of 2.7L engine failures, electrical fails, continuing MIC defects, airbags, et cetera - these are prob the major production delays, and they're not 'supply chain' - they imply bad mgmt -

Latest monthly production #'s - (publ. Nov 3)

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Nov 07, 2021

Do you think they are intentional keeping production low?

Nov 07, 2021

Yep, over 200,000 reservations. At least 140,000 orders (by January/March), and they kept taking orders after that date. They've built 20% of those (140,000+ orders as of first quarter 2021) so far this year. Bwahaha, it's like a sick joke.

I remember someone posting that they'd produce 600/shift with two or three shifts daily; 1,200-1800/day, 25,000-35,000+/month. I laughed when I read that post.

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okie4570

Nov 07, 2021

You’re right, you should probably cancel your order so we can all move up one spot….

listen, supply chains are an absolute shit show right now. I deal with it daily at work. We typically forecast out 12 months for my supply chains - steel manufacturing with electronics - and for items that normally had lead times of 4-6 weeks, I’m now looking at 6 months lead time. And that’s if I’m willing to pay triple to get a spot on a boat for some items.
Now, their roof issues were likely more preventable, but they’ve now exacerbated an already growing issue of supply chain delays. I couldn’t imagine having to completely readjust my entire supply chain volumes due to a product that isn’t cutting it.

CypressBronco, BuckYeah

Nov 07, 2021

Thing that sucks is they forecasted, very accurately, the number of reservations and percentage that would convert to orders, in October of 2020. They are well over 12 months of knowing exactly how many vehicles (and every part that goes into them) they would need to manufacture through the end of 2021 (model year 2021). Additionally, they produced, more than twice as many Rangers, most of which were for dealer stock. So, Ford was aware of how many customer orders they had in October of 2020. They knew how many customers were already on the hook for a vehicle, but made twice as many Rangers for dealer stock, during that same period. They also delivered Broncos (mannequins) for dealer stock prior to customer orders. They also changed the allocation formula, to benefit dealer stock, over the customer orders.

It's as if they looked at the list of customers, 140k+ of them, then looked at each other and said, how do we maximize profit, dealer stock.

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Lucchese, Gunninja1

Nov 07, 2021

AcesandEights
Thing that sucks is they forecasted, very accurately, the number of reservations and percentage that would convert to orders, in October of 2020. They are well over 12 months of knowing exactly how many vehicles (and every part that goes into them) they would need to manufacture through the end of 2021 (model year 2021). Additionally, they produced, more than twice as many Rangers, most of which were for dealer stock. So, Ford was aware of how many customer orders they had in October of 2020. They knew how many customers were already on the hook for a vehicle, but made twice as many Rangers for dealer stock, during that same period. They also delivered Broncos (mannequins) for dealer stock prior to customer orders. They also changed the allocation formula, to benefit dealer stock, over the customer orders.

It's as if they looked at the list of customers, 140k+ of them, then looked at each other and said, how do we maximize profit, dealer stock.

Nov 07, 2021

How do they Maximize profits sell as many vehicles as the can as fast as they can so I'm sure you're right thet are doing this just to screw you!

Gunninja1, Deano Bronc

Nov 07, 2021

If Toyota revamps the interior of the 4 Runner I’ll be switching, but until then I’ll be sitting in line patiently. I actually have little hope they will fill my order for MY22.

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Gunninja1, AcesandEights

Nov 07, 2021

Cornwelltoolman
How do they Maximize profits sell as many vehicles as the can as fast as they can so I'm sure you're right thet are doing this just to screw you!

agreed. ford makes money by moving volume. It doesn’t really matter to them what model the truck is. If their supply chains won’t allow building a certain type of vehicle, you can be damned sure they’re gonna fill those gaps on the assembly line with ones they can build.

BuckYeah, Gunninja1

Nov 07, 2021

Things are getting better. More chips are being made, more people getting back to work, supplies are slowing getting back. I’m about to drive my bronco… In Forza Horizon 5

Jakob1972, Gunninja1

Nov 07, 2021

#10

Bonnie6G
You’re right, you should probably cancel your order so we can all move up one spot….

I like this idea!

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BuckYeah, Gunninja1

Nov 07, 2021

#11

Lucchese
Intentional ?
Def less than planned - limp production is prob mostly MIC fiasco, 2.7L fails, and electrical fails -

Last week a Ford Service Technician said he'd seen about thirty 2.7L engine failures in last month in the Ford Technicians Forum - see below -

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Umm, that 2.7L engine has been used in the F150 for about 4 years, not sure that “ford technician” knows what they are talking about. :sneaky:

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Lucchese, Rydfree

Nov 07, 2021

#12

Rgwinn
Umm, that 2.7L engine has been used in the F150 for about 4 years, not sure that “ford technician” knows what they are talking about. :sneaky:

yes there are probably a million of them on the road so if there are currently 30 engines needing replacement we should all freak out

Gunninja1, Rgwinn

Nov 07, 2021

#13

BroncoFred
You’re right, you should probably cancel your order so we can all move up one spot….
I like this idea!

1000:1 odds the dealer will still get the order built and sell 20k above MSRP like all the rest

2DR CO FE

Gunninja1, Rgwinn

Nov 08, 2021

#14

AcesandEights
Yep, over 200,000 reservations. At least 140,000 orders (by January/March), and they kept taking orders after that date. They've built 20% of those (140,000+ orders as of first quarter 2021) so far this year. Bwahaha, it's like a sick joke.

I remember someone posting that they'd produce 600/shift with two or three shifts daily; 1,200-1800/day, 25,000-35,000+/month. I laughed when I read that post.

AcesandEights
Thing that sucks is they forecasted, very accurately, the number of reservations and percentage that would convert to orders, in October of 2020. They are well over 12 months of knowing exactly how many vehicles (and every part that goes into them) they would need to manufacture through the end of 2021 (model year 2021). Additionally, they produced, more than twice as many Rangers, most of which were for dealer stock. So, Ford was aware of how many customer orders they had in October of 2020. They knew how many customers were already on the hook for a vehicle, but made twice as many Rangers for dealer stock, during that same period. They also delivered Broncos (mannequins) for dealer stock prior to customer orders. They also changed the allocation formula, to benefit dealer stock, over the customer orders.

It's as if they looked at the list of customers, 140k+ of them, then looked at each other and said, how do we maximize profit, dealer stock.

Yeah the 140,000 was almost year ago - now have lots of new orders -
And the number of Resv-Orders delivered so far is not very many. They've sold less than 18k total, including lots of dealer stock. So the # of Resv-Orders delivered could be less than 10k so far -
Now they have more than 200k orders still unscheduled, and more every week -

Right, the reservations & forecasts already known - allocation changes - MIC fiasco - more examples of bad mgmt. Whoever's 'managing' the MIC fiasco is completely inept w no clue -
2.0 is still defective - B6G still reporting plenty of problems with 2.0 verified tops -

Have early Resv but prob still lengthy wait for hardtop. If ever built, will go ahead & take delivery - then see how much trouble. If too many problems can trade for something reliable, or resale is prob still good -

Scheduling Lies ? -
- reservations, dealer stock, new orders, allocations, constraints -
In scheduling it appears they're lying to us again - appears Ford is not going 100% Resv / Allocation / Commodity 'sort' as they have told us - and dealers tell us -
The number of brand new orders being scheduled is just way too many - people placing orders last week, and get scheduled a week later ?? The volume is not believable -
Some try to wave off as 'allocation', but it doesn't add up - you see brand new orders jumping line at the same dealership where they have identical builds already waiting more than a year. You see it happening at dealers like Granger where they have dozens of identical builds already waiting -

Appears Ford is using say 40% of scheduling for random new orders & for dealer stock - trying to keep Bronco market 'live' for new walk-in customers -
Otherwise the dealer walk-in market would be totally dead, w years-long wait almost guaranteed -

And how is the scheduling 'sort' actually done ??
People expect some fancy computerised sorting algorithm ?
No . . . Ford is not competent with computer anything . . Look at their IT fiasco . . Look at our Fordpass accounts . . just shambles of bad info -
C'mon Man . . . Get Real . .

Ford Bronco 'Scheduling Sort' - bunch of people in a conference room going thru 4,000 page printout w Magic Markers -
Top Priorities -
---- Bribes & Kickbacks . . .
---- 'Special Favors' . . . . . (really special) . . . . . . . . .
---- Nepotism . . .
Then - 'for the rest of us' -
. . Mistakes . . coffee stains . . cigarette ashes . .
. . n' . . 'Who the Hell Cares' . . .

ABQNMBronco, okie4570

Nov 10, 2021

#15

Lucchese
Yes, F150 is the only other model which uses 2.7L Eco (Nano 2nd Gen) - same as Bronco -
F150 starting 2018 -

But how would know if F150 is having problems ? Ford sweeps under the rug ?
And F150 is not Bronco - different application - different stress -

Good grief. If anything the F150 puts more stress on the motor, due to more towing applications, and to answer the other part of your question, I’m also active on the F150 Gen 14 forum as I also have an F150 Platinum. My belief is that it was an isolated incident based on some faulty parts at the engine plant. It’s no where close to widespread, else the major trade publications would have picked up on it.

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Cornwelltoolman, Rydfree

Nov 10, 2021

#16

Rgwinn
. . . F150 Gen 14 forum . . .
My belief is that it was an isolated incident based on some faulty parts at the engine plant . . .

'F150 Gen 14 forum' ? . . like BN ? . . . how many threads here covering the 2.7L failures ?

B6G threads report at least three 2.7L seizures . . that's less than 5% of Bronco owners . . & members may post their problems or not . . how many unreported ? . .
Another thread said "Ford is dyno-testing & blowing them up, but can't figure out why" . . .

The Ford Service Tech reports about thirty in the last month . . a little more than isolated incident . .

Unjustified indignation is not a good look for ya . . .

Rgwinn

Nov 10, 2021

#17

IF they were to ramp up production to the scale of the Explorer they COULD catch up and fill the current reservations.
But then again…
IF a bullfrog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass every time he landed, lol.
I would have to side with the thought they have created their own supply and demand issue to drive prices up.

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Nov 10, 2021

#18

Let’s just ask the question on a thread that is about the topic? If it hasn’t been started yet start it. Has anyone had engine failure issues? Because I thought this thread was about When Will Ford Ramp Up Bronco Production? Anyone out there able to answer the question? Or at least provide us with some nugget as to that? I don’t even care if it is the truth or a lie! If we are gonna argue can we at least keep the argument on the right thread? :ROFLMAO:

Rgwinn, Sven

Nov 10, 2021

#19

Lucchese
'F150 Gen 14 forum' ? . . like BN ? . . . how many threads here covering the 2.7L failures ?

B6G threads report at least three 2.7L seizures . . that's less than 5% of Bronco owners . . & members may post their problems or not . . how many unreported ? . .
Another thread said "Ford is dyno-testing & blowing them up, but can't figure out why" . . .

The Ford Service Tech reports about thirty in the last month . . a little more than isolated incident . .

Unjustified indignation is not a good look for ya . . .
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Holy sweet jeebus, man! If this is such a concern to you, then cancel your order and let us all move up a spot. There’s been a handful of engine issues over the thousands of vehicles manufactured. It’s bound to happen with a new model coming off the line. If there was truly a major issue with the power plant, they’d issue a recall or halt production. But for the love of all things please stop harping on this.

b laird, dover157

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