Feb 24, 2023
Here are two emails to National Fire Safety Assoc. ( NFSA) and National Electric Code (NEC) and do they affect our base Bronco:
Are auto makers, who make EV required for all their autos to comply with NEC standards on auto wiring?
Email to NFSA 2/23/23
I am a retired VP RISK MGR and volunteer fireman. For several years I work on a IBEW large NYC electrical contractor administrating all NYC Street , traffic bridges and tunnels. As Risk manager, made visits to sub basement of WORLD TRADE CENTER. Handled some litigation on HVAC issues at Goldman Sacks and Penn State University.
My company was bought out by Emcor one of the largest facility maintenance contractors in USA.
As an Risk manager, work with divisional Presidents, who were on Joint Industry Boards NYC and Electrical code committee as well as electrical engineers city and our divisions.
With that background, I have a issue with a new Bronco purchased for my grandson.Specifically , Ford sells seven trims on new Broncos with three level of equipment.
We ordered a base ,but were told no tow wiring was on this model, but could order a Auxiliary switch package for $195 and five non circuits one in rear quarter panel, near tail lights. It has six powered circuits a 30, 15 and 4@10 amps dc on relays and nice inside switches.
On 9/12/22 we requested our Ford dealer to inspect the 30 A circuit 1.5mm2 yellow wire , flying spliced terminated with only electrician tape. The five non- circuit wires are bunched near the 6 circuit wires and are all 1.5mm2( 16AWG). Our concern was overloading the 13 ampacity 1.5mm2 wire on the 30 A circuit.
Today we requested the proper 10 AWG, which we would supply to either change out the thin 16 AWG on a 30 A dc circuit or at least change out the incorrect 30A fuse for a 15A which we purchased today from parts for $1.50!
The service writer refused even record our written request to do either, right wire or right fuse. His answer was Ford's zone engineers stated to this dealer not to touch on the base 2022 Bronco any factory fuses or wires, and further not to install the statelaw required trailer lighting wiring on a base Bronco.
We have complained directly to Ford Motor Company and they are non responsive.
Question:
Due to Ford's commitment to 50% EV by a date certain, and NEC EV standards, are all Ford vehicles required to meet NEC and your standards?
Finally, when we called NHTSA, the gal on phone asked " if our new Bronco went on fire ", we replied " No", she then said call us when it does!
Email to Bronco Nation 2/24/23 ( some conversation reply- join the conversation ?- no reply)
Hi
What are you? AI?
Ford may have a big issue. Posted with NFSA as a former volunteer fireman and an exec. working with divisional electrical contractor president who were on NYC JOINT INDUSTRY electrical code committee.
So here we go. NEC ( National Electrical Code) is a body of rules that the fire and building code use. Each state has a State Fire Marshal to investigate origins of building fires. But no agency investigates car fires, unless injury occur to its passenger.
I have a good friend and former client ,who had a shed affixed to his home. A battery overheated and the resulting fire burt down his home.
Ford has stated 50% of future cars will be EV. SO NEC came up with new rules covering EVs.
The question is with these EV rules be expanded to cover all Ford manufactured vehicles?
Previously automobiles were exempt. No longer with EV. Why? look at those thick yellow or red wires between charging and battery; battery and electrical motors, some now 48 v. and those braking recovery systems.
Having several Porsche 15 years ago in Lime Rock, Ct, Prosche had a demo and brought engineers from Germany with a dog and pony show on the 917 Porsche hybrid. In the passenger seat was a charging- discharging device with thick red wires say 4-6AWG like service to your home.
Five years ago at a Rolex 24 race a rich member of PCA brought in a former 918 with 900 hp. One of his friends who own a 911 New Turbo said he never has seen a 2 sec car no less drove in one and his head went back in a ride. Now the 919 is racing in Europe and the hybrid electric motors are smaller but more powerful.
What does this have to do with a Base Bronco, $195 cool auxiliary switch one 30 Amp on real thin 1.5 mm2 wiring, not US made because all US wire is labeled AWG ( American Wire Gauge) or gauge.
The new base has a electric management computer module. To save gas the alternator clutch will disconnect like the compressor for the air cond. Have this on my 911S. Go fast in hot weather and the a/c off.
So if someone un-familiar with electricity on unfitting #60 fused to switch one, on thin 1.5mn2( 16 AWG) Like cheap Chinese extension cords ( lamp wire) decides to wire in a 1000 watt inverter to point E, we get volt drop say 10-20% due to thin wire. A 30A Fuse should be wired to 10 gauge wire, like blue when you hook up electric trailer brake controllers. 16 gauge will get hot in a bundle enclosed in cargo panel. The inverter could carry a 80 A load over 5 times that 1.5 mm2 wire is rated for. (1000w/12 v).
Well now assume that person decides to leave his ignition in on and switch one on to power a TV and coffee maker on the inverters two 120v outlets. Sure it will draw up to 30 A and the fuse will break when it goes over 30 A, but what if only drawing 29 A. 1.5 mm2 may melt covering or at least get warm or hot, but we have more issues ,those two connectors one in firewall yellow and one in grove box white yellow.
Cheap wire connectors will melt and expose connections. Now this guy goes to sleep in his $1000 Bronco roof top tent and sets the coffee maker to 6 am so he has coffee when he and his wife etc wake up.
Leave a coffee maker on for extended period of time and that Fire Marshall has paid many of fires due to faulty wiring. But NEC says Ford must comply on its EV, but what about other vehicles?
For years Ford was exempt on dc wiring but now they are selling self contained Bronco campers. Roof tents, fifth door camping tables, inverters (400w) with 120 w outlets, and over 200 more BRONCO accessories.
So why are Ford field engineers telling my dealer not to do any electrical wiring for trailer lights $125 Ford part or upgrading 30A from 1.5 mm2 thin wire to NEC #10 or simply issue recall and change 30A #60 fuse to 15A #61 fuse its $1? Is Ford hiding some cheap thin wires they got from China? Ford made cars also in Russia! Go figure!
Are auto makers, who make EV required for all their autos to comply with NEC standards on auto wiring?
Email to NFSA 2/23/23
I am a retired VP RISK MGR and volunteer fireman. For several years I work on a IBEW large NYC electrical contractor administrating all NYC Street , traffic bridges and tunnels. As Risk manager, made visits to sub basement of WORLD TRADE CENTER. Handled some litigation on HVAC issues at Goldman Sacks and Penn State University.
My company was bought out by Emcor one of the largest facility maintenance contractors in USA.
As an Risk manager, work with divisional Presidents, who were on Joint Industry Boards NYC and Electrical code committee as well as electrical engineers city and our divisions.
With that background, I have a issue with a new Bronco purchased for my grandson.Specifically , Ford sells seven trims on new Broncos with three level of equipment.
We ordered a base ,but were told no tow wiring was on this model, but could order a Auxiliary switch package for $195 and five non circuits one in rear quarter panel, near tail lights. It has six powered circuits a 30, 15 and 4@10 amps dc on relays and nice inside switches.
On 9/12/22 we requested our Ford dealer to inspect the 30 A circuit 1.5mm2 yellow wire , flying spliced terminated with only electrician tape. The five non- circuit wires are bunched near the 6 circuit wires and are all 1.5mm2( 16AWG). Our concern was overloading the 13 ampacity 1.5mm2 wire on the 30 A circuit.
Today we requested the proper 10 AWG, which we would supply to either change out the thin 16 AWG on a 30 A dc circuit or at least change out the incorrect 30A fuse for a 15A which we purchased today from parts for $1.50!
The service writer refused even record our written request to do either, right wire or right fuse. His answer was Ford's zone engineers stated to this dealer not to touch on the base 2022 Bronco any factory fuses or wires, and further not to install the statelaw required trailer lighting wiring on a base Bronco.
We have complained directly to Ford Motor Company and they are non responsive.
Question:
Due to Ford's commitment to 50% EV by a date certain, and NEC EV standards, are all Ford vehicles required to meet NEC and your standards?
Finally, when we called NHTSA, the gal on phone asked " if our new Bronco went on fire ", we replied " No", she then said call us when it does!
Email to Bronco Nation 2/24/23 ( some conversation reply- join the conversation ?- no reply)
Hi
What are you? AI?
Ford may have a big issue. Posted with NFSA as a former volunteer fireman and an exec. working with divisional electrical contractor president who were on NYC JOINT INDUSTRY electrical code committee.
So here we go. NEC ( National Electrical Code) is a body of rules that the fire and building code use. Each state has a State Fire Marshal to investigate origins of building fires. But no agency investigates car fires, unless injury occur to its passenger.
I have a good friend and former client ,who had a shed affixed to his home. A battery overheated and the resulting fire burt down his home.
Ford has stated 50% of future cars will be EV. SO NEC came up with new rules covering EVs.
The question is with these EV rules be expanded to cover all Ford manufactured vehicles?
Previously automobiles were exempt. No longer with EV. Why? look at those thick yellow or red wires between charging and battery; battery and electrical motors, some now 48 v. and those braking recovery systems.
Having several Porsche 15 years ago in Lime Rock, Ct, Prosche had a demo and brought engineers from Germany with a dog and pony show on the 917 Porsche hybrid. In the passenger seat was a charging- discharging device with thick red wires say 4-6AWG like service to your home.
Five years ago at a Rolex 24 race a rich member of PCA brought in a former 918 with 900 hp. One of his friends who own a 911 New Turbo said he never has seen a 2 sec car no less drove in one and his head went back in a ride. Now the 919 is racing in Europe and the hybrid electric motors are smaller but more powerful.
What does this have to do with a Base Bronco, $195 cool auxiliary switch one 30 Amp on real thin 1.5 mm2 wiring, not US made because all US wire is labeled AWG ( American Wire Gauge) or gauge.
The new base has a electric management computer module. To save gas the alternator clutch will disconnect like the compressor for the air cond. Have this on my 911S. Go fast in hot weather and the a/c off.
So if someone un-familiar with electricity on unfitting #60 fused to switch one, on thin 1.5mn2( 16 AWG) Like cheap Chinese extension cords ( lamp wire) decides to wire in a 1000 watt inverter to point E, we get volt drop say 10-20% due to thin wire. A 30A Fuse should be wired to 10 gauge wire, like blue when you hook up electric trailer brake controllers. 16 gauge will get hot in a bundle enclosed in cargo panel. The inverter could carry a 80 A load over 5 times that 1.5 mm2 wire is rated for. (1000w/12 v).
Well now assume that person decides to leave his ignition in on and switch one on to power a TV and coffee maker on the inverters two 120v outlets. Sure it will draw up to 30 A and the fuse will break when it goes over 30 A, but what if only drawing 29 A. 1.5 mm2 may melt covering or at least get warm or hot, but we have more issues ,those two connectors one in firewall yellow and one in grove box white yellow.
Cheap wire connectors will melt and expose connections. Now this guy goes to sleep in his $1000 Bronco roof top tent and sets the coffee maker to 6 am so he has coffee when he and his wife etc wake up.
Leave a coffee maker on for extended period of time and that Fire Marshall has paid many of fires due to faulty wiring. But NEC says Ford must comply on its EV, but what about other vehicles?
For years Ford was exempt on dc wiring but now they are selling self contained Bronco campers. Roof tents, fifth door camping tables, inverters (400w) with 120 w outlets, and over 200 more BRONCO accessories.
So why are Ford field engineers telling my dealer not to do any electrical wiring for trailer lights $125 Ford part or upgrading 30A from 1.5 mm2 thin wire to NEC #10 or simply issue recall and change 30A #60 fuse to 15A #61 fuse its $1? Is Ford hiding some cheap thin wires they got from China? Ford made cars also in Russia! Go figure!
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