Solder on rear glass good or bad

magicrobots
Apr 25, 2023

Rank A Bazillion

Apr 25, 2023

So I lost my rear defrost connector, and used this to put it back on.

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The problem is, this doesn't work at all. The connector is stuck just fine on the glass, but the stuff isn't conductive. WTF. I did a great job of sanding and prepping the surfaces and testing conductivity before and after.

Anyway, my next step was just going to be to bloop some solder over the edge of the connector onto the metal on the glass to complete the circuit. This won't be too hot will it? Should be OK on the glass? I'm just super frustrated with these awful products; this is the second failure I've had with this crap. Seems simple enough. Glue that is conductive.

Sorry I'm in a bad mood :(

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Friendly Neighborhood Sasquatch

Apr 25, 2023

#1
Soldering it won’t conduct as well as it should. They make a special conductive epoxy for this:

Back Window Defogger Electrically Conductive, Silver Epoxy Adhesive Repair Kit 2.5 Grams https://a.co/d/0Ash8Qj

It probably works better than the stuff you were using.

Rank VI

Apr 26, 2023

#2
Solder is WAY more conductive than conductive epoxy, but it’s probably not a great idea to expose the window to those temperatures.

Friendly Neighborhood Sasquatch

Apr 26, 2023

#3
Solder is WAY more conductive than conductive epoxy, but it’s probably not a great idea to expose the window to those temperatures.
I don’t think that’s true at high current

Rank A Bazillion

Apr 26, 2023

#4
Soldering it won’t conduct as well as it should. They make a special conductive epoxy for this:

Back Window Defogger Electrically Conductive, Silver Epoxy Adhesive Repair Kit 2.5 Grams https://a.co/d/0Ash8Qj

It probably works better than the stuff you were using.

I guess I'll try this one as well. I figured the stuff I used would work since it's also "Electrically Conductive Rear Window Defogger Tab Adhesive" but I guess some are created more equal than others. Thanks for the link @Sulley I'll keep y'all updated on this malarkey.
I like soldering things but the glass does make me nervous. Although it looks like "the internet" says tempered glass begins liquefying at the lowest ~590C / 1100F and I can easily melt solder at less than half that. My concern is more around the adhesive used to keep the defroster attached to the glass.
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Rank VI

Apr 26, 2023

#5
I don’t think that’s true at high current
It’s absolutely true.
One-part silver-filled epoxy has resistivity “less than” .001 Ω-cm (or 1000 µΩ-cm)
(from here: https://www.masterbond.com/properti...device=c&adposition=&keyword=conductive epoxy)

Typical lead-free solder has resistivity of .140 µΩ-m (or 14µΩ-cm)
(from here: https://invacu.com/solder-alloys)

So, solder has 71 times better conductivity than conductive epoxy. If anything, the epoxy will be much worse at high currents, because it will heat up and tend to separate the conductive grains.
86Isuzu, 14U

Rank A Bazillion

Apr 26, 2023

#6
Also just saw this review on that product page:
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Seems like everyone has their own experience with this stuff. I can't lie I'm kinda just curious about using solder. I'll report back :)
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Rank A Bazillion

Apr 27, 2023

#7


OK I did it. It's not a pretty solder, but I tested continuity and it was good, then I reattached the connector and tested functionality and it heated up nicely with no visual change to the connection, so I'm happy.
The solder did NOT want to connect to the copper (?) on the window, so as soon as I got a blob to affix, I left it. Probably didn't help that it was kinda upside down ... and I probably could have done some better prep, but I didn't want to sand too much, I'm not sure how thin that stuff is. You can see that I tried multiple points of attachment around the tab until I got somewhere that actually worked. Who knows. But so far so good, hopefully it stays together!
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86Isuzu, 3Dogs

Rank VI

Apr 27, 2023

#8


OK I did it. It's not a pretty solder, but I tested continuity and it was good, then I reattached the connector and tested functionality and it heated up nicely with no visual change to the connection, so I'm happy.
The solder did NOT want to connect to the copper (?) on the window, so as soon as I got a blob to affix, I left it. Probably didn't help that it was kinda upside down ... and I probably could have done some better prep, but I didn't want to sand too much, I'm not sure how thin that stuff is. You can see that I tried multiple points of attachment around the tab until I got somewhere that actually worked. Who knows. But so far so good, hopefully it stays together!
Glad it worked!
I would reinforce the connector-to-glass area with JB weld.
magicrobots

Rank A Bazillion

Apr 28, 2023

#9
Glad it worked!
I would reinforce the connector-to-glass area with JB weld.

Thanks! So far so good - the connector is actually really solidly epoxied to the glass. I tried to use one of those supposedly conductive epoxies specifically for this purpose, and it holds the connector on nice and tight but doesn't conduct electricity. LOLZ Maybe I got a dud batch or it was manufactured in 1983 or something.
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