Ranger tows7500 lbs but Bronco only 3500.Same 2.3L, 10 speed and 3.73 rear.Why?

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frankgoss

Yesterday I installed a Draw-Title Class III 4500 lbs hitch, since base was not offered it.
A 2022 Ford Ranger can tow up to 7500 and has 3.73 rear, 2.3L say 325 torque and may have a 10R60 or 80 automatic ESOF .But why is the Bronco short 4000 towing lbs?
Does anyone know? Both are made on MAP product lines. Sometime more Broncos than Rangers. Both have same chassis but some have HOSS 2.5 or 3.0.
Only difference is a bed in the back. A crew cab sits 5, like a 4 door Bronco, but when equipped from factory with tow option can go to 7500. Why. Rear 3.73 maybe different manufacturer? Or is this just FORD marketing? Both have terrain management systems on 4×4 pro setups. Ranger can come with 2×4 but still can carry more payload. Both has active solid rear axels and my base rated at 3060 lbs.Have to check a Ranger's rear axel rating.
Lastly rumor is a Bronco pickup like Jeep has one with short bed. Will this be a range wolf in pony cloths???

Only difference is the bed? So the suspension is exactly the same? No.
The suspension is entirely different than the Ranger. It's too soft for heavy towing.
If it could tow more safely, wouldn't you think that Ford would have gladly set the towing spec higher? Marketing wants to be more appealing to the masses, not less.

Wheelbase Ranger; 126, wheelbase Bronco; 100-116

frankgoss

Yesterday I installed a Draw-Title Class III 4500 lbs hitch, since base was not offered it.
A 2022 Ford Ranger can tow up to 7500 and has 3.73 rear, 2.3L say 325 torque and may have a 10R60 or 80 automatic ESOF .But why is the Bronco short 4000 towing lbs?
Does anyone know? Both are made on MAP product lines. Sometime more Broncos than Rangers. Both have same chassis but some have HOSS 2.5 or 3.0.
Only difference is a bed in the back. A crew cab sits 5, like a 4 door Bronco, but when equipped from factory with tow option can go to 7500. Why. Rear 3.73 maybe different manufacturer? Or is this just FORD marketing? Both have terrain management systems on 4×4 pro setups. Ranger can come with 2×4 but still can carry more payload. Both has active solid rear axels and my base rated at 3060 lbs.Have to check a Ranger's rear axel rating.
Lastly rumor is a Bronco pickup like Jeep has one with short bed. Will this be a range wolf in pony cloths???

Engine and transmission have very little to do with tow ratings in todays world, mostly comes down to suspension and brakes. Even a 4 cylinder bronco with either transmission would most likely pull over 10,000 lbs with little trouble, however it won’t be able to control or stop that much mass properly. The ranger can tow more because it is a truck and therefore was designed to haul/tow on pavement and given 4x4 so it can go off road but will be rough and bounce the rear end all over the place in most trails at speed. The bronco was designed to have good handling and traction off road with a soft suspension to absorb the bumps without bouncing itself off into the trees and given independent front suspension so it does not exhaust the driver while on the highway trying to get to the trail. Go look under a new ranger and you will find a set of leaf springs holding the rear axle to the frame. This gives a better weight rating, with the trade off of being stiffer and a lot rougher off road. Essentially it boils down to you are comparing oranges to cantelopes in your tow capacity ramblings. The ranger was designed to haul/tow, the Bronco was designed be hauled/towed. Ford lists the max tow rating simply to protect themselves from liability when armchair warriors with no understanding of physics or load dynamics, like yourself, decide they know more and end up crashing and killing themselves or others because they decided an off-road SUV can tow a heavy trailer down the interstate simply because it is made on the same assembly line as a truck.

Typical Frank question.
Only been answered here dozens of times.

I can even go further and attest from experience what the difference in suspension can do to towing capability. At work we have a Ram 1500 SSV (police package) it’s listed tow capacity is just over 8,000 lbs. it has the same engine, transmission and brakes as the top of the line ram that is rated at 12,500 lbs. the difference? The SSV has coil overs on the rear for high speed handling. I have towed the same utility trailer with my 30 year old beat up Chevy c1500 and the new Ram SSV. While the old Chevy had trouble getting up to speed with it she handled and stopped it just fine, on the ram that same trailer left me looking at the sky and wiggled the rear end all over the place.
leaf springs = rough but can haul
Coil overs = comfortable and good handling but can’t take a heavy load.

dover157

I can even go further and attest from experience what the difference in suspension can do to towing capability. At work we have a Ram 1500 SSV (police package) it’s listed tow capacity is just over 8,000 lbs. it has the same engine, transmission and brakes as the top of the line ram that is rated at 12,500 lbs. the difference? The SSV has coil overs on the rear for high speed handling. I have towed the same utility trailer with my 30 year old beat up Chevy c1500 and the new Ram SSV. While the old Chevy had trouble getting up to speed with it she handled and stopped it just fine, on the ram that same trailer left me looking at the sky and wiggled the rear end all over the place.
leaf springs = rough but can haul
Coil overs = comfortable and good handling but can’t take a heavy load.

The bronco has coil springs in the rear and I think the ranger has leaf springs.

Thank you for your simple answer LEAF SPRINGS VS COIL SPRNGS OVER

I figured with your mass over research into everything you would have figured this one out.

But my new ordered 2023 Defender has all independent coil springs a 2.0l weighs 500 pounds more , no leaf springs, rides smoother, and tow more than a Ranger and does not use Tahachi shocks. Must be cheap rear end suspension parts
My Range Rover Sport also has a tow rating higher than the new Ranger!

There is a guy TFL video that added some helper springs and pulled a heavy trailer and super loaded Bronco with roof rack about 9000 miles. From Texas to Alaska. Now I don’t recommend this but if you want to get a little extra towing out of your Bronco there are ways.

They did it just to piss off Frank. :LOL:

It doesn't matter why, if you need more tow capacity buy a truck with more tow capacity. The Bronco is an off roader first, tow capacity come second.

frankgoss

But my new ordered 2023 Defender has all independent coil springs a 2.0l weighs 500 pounds more , no leaf springs, rides smoother, and tow more than a Ranger and does not use Tahachi shocks. Must be cheap rear end suspension parts
My Range Rover Sport also has a tow rating higher than the new Ranger!

But do they start when its raining?
Lucas the prince of darkness....

Jakob1972

There is a guy TFL video that added some helper springs and pulled a heavy trailer and super loaded Bronco with roof rack about 9000 miles. From Texas to Alaska. Now I don’t recommend this but if you want to get a little extra towing out of your Bronco there are ways.

This intrigues me a bit. I'd love to be able to haul my old mustang which means I'd need about 4,500 lbs. of actual rated towing capacity (vehicle and trailer).

It's never been a deal breaker for me, but it seems like something I'd consider investigating. I never planned on this being a serious off road use vehicle, but will do some for sure.

I'd have no concerns towing 5000lbs with a 4 door 2.3 MT, 4.70 gear and upgraded suspension. Between brakes, trailer brake and manual transmission all working together + hill decent control aka engine brake you can stop no prob. Just dont drive like an idiot, keep speed 65 or less and prepare to stop 100ft sooner than normal.

NT AUTOMOTIVE

I'd have no concerns towing 5000lbs with a 4 door 2.3 MT, 4.70 gear and upgraded suspension. Between brakes, trailer brake and manual transmission all working together + hill decent control aka engine brake you can stop no prob. Just dont drive like an idiot, keep speed 65 or less and prepare to stop 100ft sooner than normal.

Bad advice, with bad caveat....IMHO...if you want to tow something heavier, safely, get something rated to do it.
I see way too many people towing trailers above their vehicles tow rating, faster than they should be.

SAVEUP

Bad advice, with bad caveat....IMHO...if you want to tow something heavier, safely, get something rated to do it.
I see way too many people towing trailers above their vehicles tow rating, faster than they should be.

I agree. May be ok in perfect conditions but a change in weather or need for emergency braking or evasive maneuvers and it’s all over.

To each their own. Obviously safety first especially if a towing novice. However if set up and driven correctly I wouldn't trade vehicles over 1500lbs difference for the reasons stated. Especially if the ranger tows 7Klbs...and a 2 door FJ cruiser can tow 5Klbs. I use to own an FJ along with many other vehicles. Our 4 door bronco is certainly at least on the tow level with the FJ.

frankgoss

But my new ordered 2023 Defender

Hopefully, you get it quick so you can take your negativity to their boards and cry about suing them now!!