Please tell me I did not get a Ford Explorer power train in my MY 2022 Ford Base Bronco?

Is it too late to change selection to the manual transmission?

I was under the impression that towing was more due to the off road suspension limitations.

Rhiostatic

I was under the impression that towing was more due to the off road suspension limitations.

Yeah the numbers don’t really add up how is 3500 lbs 25% of 7000lbs unless they are adding a ton of fudge. I still put my money on the soft suspension being the culprit. A proper trailer should have about 10% of its weight on the tongue so a 3500lbs trailer will have a tongue weight of 350lbs. Stand on your hitch ball and see how much your Bronco squats if it changes the angle of your headlights it’s getting to the max rating. The problem is really how light it makes the front end you loose braking abilities as the front gets lighter.

frankgoss

Were see many posting on features and outer parts, tires, paint, roofs but what about what we dont see from FORD MARKETING.
It has been reported that a MY2021 Bronco will get a weaker Ford Explorer transmission called 10r60, not stronger ,10r80 rated 200 nm higher and that is in the Ranger same MAP production line.

So I called Ford Marketing and gal said that Ford never advertised a stronger 10 speed automatic transmission, even though the Ranger truck build on same platform get the 10r80. Were we mislead?

R&T wrote an article on the RS developed 2.3L EgoBoost I-4 engine now upgraded in Ford Rangers according to writer.

So is the Bronco really a Colt explorer in a truck body on frame truck. The 2020 Explorer had many issures in their 10r60 10 speed transmissions. The way we can tell what is under our Bronco is tow ratings of 3,500 vs Ranger's 7,500. Ranger has stronger transmission by 25% and Ford Marketing is silent on the Base 2.3L EgoBoost upgraded Ranger engine, which my be again an Explorer 2.3L engine.

If you got your MY2021 look at the build sheet for transmission and engine codes and ask your service advisor what power train is in your BRONCO, you may be surprised to find an Explorer is in your MY2021. I WILL NOT PAY FOR MY MY2022 until I get what is under my MY2022 hot pepper Base! I may have been burned! Have you?

The 10R60 has been the AT for the Bronco since day 1.
It’s more than capable of taking all the torque that the most powerful Bronco engine can develop.
Wish you would stop harping on this.

Anytime I see someone create multiple posts on the same topic I assume they’re just trying to stir the pot and click “ignore” on the user.

The simple solution here; if you don’t like the offering, don’t make the purchase. Period. Problem solved.

Well you are not correct. Newton Meters are what the Explorer transmission is rated at 600 , where as the Ranger is rated at 800 that is what 10r60 and 80 mean. What will happen if you flash the computer. More torque! Generally horse power or KW in EU is close to to torque in ft-lbs in US or Newton Meters (nm) outside, except in turbo or supercharged air intake systems. Some develop major torque in lower rpm. Remember torque is what get you going.
It has been reported the 2.7L EgoBoost is close to the 600 nm rated Ford Explorer 10r60 10 spd transmission!
Were as the Focus RS @350 both Hp&ft-lbs and the Ranger 2.3L EgoBoost I-4 engine was so modified in many areas to handle oil and heat issues.
We are most likely also no going to see these upgrades in our Bronco's. You have to call Ford Marketing or email them that we want tge 25% stronger 10r80 bolted to the updated Ranger RS 2.3L EgoBoost otherwise your going to get a Ford Explorer maybe ST POWER TRAIN and years later you will regret it, if you go to tune it.

More pictures if Ranger upgrades to 2.3L EgoBoost Remember " the wheels on the bus go round, round, round" Its those nm that get it going!

Ford has clearly designed and tested the Bronco with the 10R60. They never confirmed until people clued in and started asking for specifics. A lot of people just made the assumption it would have the same transmission as the Ranger. It’s not going to change. Ford has no obligation to engineer a vehicle to account for aftermarket tunes. If the 10R60 is a deal breaker for you then it’s a deal breaker. I’m sure eventually the aftermarket will have some sort of solution for you.

The Exploder is rated tow capacity 5000-5600 pounds I don't see the problem.600nm is 440 lbs ft. The 2.3 is no where near that

@frankgoss
Clearly, the Bronco is going to be a big disappointment to you.
Maybe you should buy a Range Rover instead, and join their forums, so that you can help them with all your insight.

After reading this rant I am going to cancel my Badlands and get a Jeep. I think I read somewhere on the internet that a Jeep will run circles around the Bronco and tow 7500 lbs.

Thank you for bringing this design flaw to my attention.

Rydfree

After reading this rant I am going to cancel my Badlands and get a Jeep. I think I read somewhere on the internet that a Jeep will run circles around the Bronco and tow 7500 lbs.

Thank you for bringing this design flaw to my attention.

Well if its on the internet it must be true.

Note to all this is not a new conversation with the original poster, just a new audience for him. Please do not entertain his postings. He will post on multiple threads about the same topic. Just like he did six months ago. In the words of Sgt. Hulka, “Lighten up Francis”

3Dogs

@frankgoss
Clearly, the Bronco is going to be a big disappointment to you.
Maybe you should buy a Range Rover instead, and join their forums, so that you can help them with all your insight.

If I remember from previous conversations six months ago, he does or has owned a Range Rover

From Ford Authority:

“Plaza-Jennings offered a robust argument in favor of the 10R60, stating that the unit is rated at a max output of 406 pound-feet of torque when paired with the Ford 2.3L EcoBoost I-4 and 424 pound-feet of max torque when paired with the Ford 2.7L EcoBoost V6. Both maximum ratings beat out the torque figures of both Bronco powerplants, which are rated at 310 pound-feet and 400 pound-feet, respectively. Additionally, he stated that the inclusion of the 10R80 into the Ford Ranger lineup was based out of necessity, not choice, since the 10R60 was not ready for prime time in 2018, the year when the current generation Ranger debuted.
There are other reasons why the 10R60 is a better fit for the 2021 Ford Bronco too. It’s newer, designed to be more efficient, and significantly lighter to boot, to the tune of 29 pounds. Ford engineered the 10R60 with less parasitic losses as well. Plus, it’s been tested extensively, both in the Explorer, where it’s rated to handle 415 pound-feet of torque in the ST, and more recently in the NORRA Mexican 1000 rally, where a Bronco equipped with the transmission finished third. In any event, the 10-speed automatic, in all of its various configurations, has been around for a while, as it first debuted in the 2017 Ford F-150. Chances are good that Ford has had plenty of time to solve any issues with the gearbox before putting it in the Bronco.”

https://fordauthority.com/2021/07/2...eature-10r60-transmission-from-ford-explorer/

BroncoFred

From Ford Authority:

“Plaza-Jennings offered a robust argument in favor of the 10R60, stating that the unit is rated at a max output of 406 pound-feet of torque when paired with the Ford 2.3L EcoBoost I-4 and 424 pound-feet of max torque when paired with the Ford 2.7L EcoBoost V6. Both maximum ratings beat out the torque figures of both Bronco powerplants, which are rated at 310 pound-feet and 400 pound-feet, respectively. Additionally, he stated that the inclusion of the 10R80 into the Ford Ranger lineup was based out of necessity, not choice, since the 10R60 was not ready for prime time in 2018, the year when the current generation Ranger debuted.
There are other reasons why the 10R60 is a better fit for the 2021 Ford Bronco too. It’s newer, designed to be more efficient, and significantly lighter to boot, to the tune of 29 pounds. Ford engineered the 10R60 with less parasitic losses as well. Plus, it’s been tested extensively, both in the Explorer, where it’s rated to handle 415 pound-feet of torque in the ST, and more recently in the NORRA Mexican 1000 rally, where a Bronco equipped with the transmission finished third. In any event, the 10-speed automatic, in all of its various configurations, has been around for a while, as it first debuted in the 2017 Ford F-150. Chances are good that Ford has had plenty of time to solve any issues with the gearbox before putting it in the Bronco.”

https://fordauthority.com/2021/07/2...eature-10r60-transmission-from-ford-explorer/

Excellent post @BroncoFred, unfortunately he is already aware of all this information

TK1215

BroncoFred

From Ford Authority:

“Plaza-Jennings offered a robust argument in favor of the 10R60, stating that the unit is rated at a max output of 406 pound-feet of torque when paired with the Ford 2.3L EcoBoost I-4 and 424 pound-feet of max torque when paired with the Ford 2.7L EcoBoost V6. Both maximum ratings beat out the torque figures of both Bronco powerplants, which are rated at 310 pound-feet and 400 pound-feet, respectively. Additionally, he stated that the inclusion of the 10R80 into the Ford Ranger lineup was based out of necessity, not choice, since the 10R60 was not ready for prime time in 2018, the year when the current generation Ranger debuted.
There are other reasons why the 10R60 is a better fit for the 2021 Ford Bronco too. It’s newer, designed to be more efficient, and significantly lighter to boot, to the tune of 29 pounds. Ford engineered the 10R60 with less parasitic losses as well. Plus, it’s been tested extensively, both in the Explorer, where it’s rated to handle 415 pound-feet of torque in the ST, and more recently in the NORRA Mexican 1000 rally, where a Bronco equipped with the transmission finished third. In any event, the 10-speed automatic, in all of its various configurations, has been around for a while, as it first debuted in the 2017 Ford F-150. Chances are good that Ford has had plenty of time to solve any issues with the gearbox before putting it in the Bronco.”

https://fordauthority.com/2021/07/2...eature-10r60-transmission-from-ford-explorer/

Excellent post @BroncoFred, unfortunately he is already aware of all this information

You’re right, just saw that this is not new. At least made me research because I was not aware of the difference between the two. I’m finding the more I read about Bronco the more I find people trying to point out flaws (“oh no, no cup holders in the back seat”, “”the paint is too thin!”, etc).

As @TK1215 mentioned, we've definitely discussed this on other posts with @frankgoss before... but lets do it again--cause why not?

frankgoss

Were see many posting on features and outer parts, tires, paint, roofs but what about what we dont see from FORD MARKETING.
It has been reported that a MY2021 Bronco will get a weaker Ford Explorer transmission called 10r60, not stronger ,10r80 rated 200 nm higher and that is in the Ranger same MAP production line.

The 10R60 is rated for 600nm. The maximum torque output of the 2.7L engine is 542nm. Not sure why you care about a transmission that is rated for 200nm higher when the engines in the Bronco cannot even produce torque numbers that high.

frankgoss

So I called Ford Marketing and gal said that Ford never advertised a stronger 10 speed automatic transmission, even though the Ranger truck build on same platform get the 10r80. Were we mislead?

No, we weren't mislead at all. Ford disclosed the transmission this past spring before production even started. If you didn't like it... you could have canceled your order.

frankgoss

So is the Bronco really a Colt explorer in a truck body on frame truck. The 2020 Explorer had many issures in their 10r60 10 speed transmissions. The way we can tell what is under our Bronco is tow ratings of 3,500 vs Ranger's 7,500. Ranger has stronger transmission by 25% and Ford Marketing is silent on the Base 2.3L EgoBoost upgraded Ranger engine, which my be again an Explorer 2.3L engine.

The tow rating on the Bronco has everything to do with the suspension and the fact the Bronco is built as an off-roader, and not as a Class IV towing vehicle. The Explorer has a 5,300 lbs tow rating when equipped with the 2.3L EcoBoost and the 10R60 transmission.

frankgoss

If you got your MY2021 look at the build sheet for transmission and engine codes and ask your service advisor what power train is in your BRONCO, you may be surprised to find an Explorer is in your MY2021. I WILL NOT PAY FOR MY MY2022 until I get what is under my MY2022 hot pepper Base! I may have been burned! Have you?

If you want a vehicle that can tow, go buy a vehicle that can tow.

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Also... I would bet money the only reason why the 10R80 is in the Ranger is because the 10R60 wasn't available in time for 5th generation Ranger production. I would surprised if Ford doesn't put the 10R60 in the 6th gen Ranger. The 6th gen Ranger debuts overseas in a few weeks, so we'll probably find out one way or another then (hits the United States in 2023).

While we are at it let’s rehash the engines, goat modes, Bronco OffRoadeo, navigation, aux switches and why small rims come on base Bronco’s