Black Diamond or Badlands? Honestly Need Help!

larousse1826
Feb 07, 2021

Rank 0

Feb 07, 2021

Hey guys! I know you’ve probably seen a bunch of these but I need the help, I’m going crazy! It’s down to two models, 3 variants. BD 2.3L 4Dr Manual, BD 2.7L 4Dr Auto or BL 4Dr 2.3L Manual. $501, $560, $587 on a lease respectively. I’d like to do some overlanding in the future. I haven’t driven stick in a couple of years, but I still got it. Use to have an 84 Ford F-150 so that’s my experience with driving stick. I just keep going back and forth whether the 2.3l would be enough. I’m currently driving a base 2019 4cyl Tacoma. In terms of power + torque... the 2.3l would most likely be better than the taco. I would be keeping the bronco after lease term is up. Please let me know your thoughts and opinions. Thank you!
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Rank V

Feb 07, 2021

#1
Hey guys! I know you’ve probably seen a bunch of these but I need the help, I’m going crazy! It’s down to two models, 3 variants. BD 2.3L 4Dr Manual, BD 2.7L 4Dr Auto or BL 4Dr 2.3L Manual. $501, $560, $587 on a lease respectively. I’d like to do some overlanding in the future. I haven’t driven stick in a couple of years, but I still got it. Use to have an 84 Ford F-150 so that’s my experience with driving stick. I just keep going back and forth whether the 2.3l would be enough. I’m currently driving a base 2019 4cyl Tacoma. In terms of power + torque... the 2.3l would most likely be better than the taco. I would be keeping the bronco after lease term is up. Please let me know your thoughts and opinions. Thank you!
The struggle is real and I can relate. I will share briefly from my experience; my order is a BL, 4dr, 2.3L, Auto, High package non-sasquatch.
BD vs. BL: I was all in on the BD until I thought about missing out on the 360 camera and 12 inch screen. Also, how hard core will your use case be? Moderate=BD, Hard Core=BL.
2.3L vs. 2.7L: I test drove the Ranger with the 2.3L and the F150 with the 2.7L and was very impressed with both. I went with the 2.3L because it is proven, less money, no expected delays and for my experience it It more than enough. I think either engine will be far ahead of the Taco. I know that they both exceed the Wrangler's 3.6L and 2.0T.
Tech: After watching the ride along videos of the BL with 360 camera and large screen I am so glad that I got the BL with the High package.
Hope this helps!
4DR OBX, A51, 2.3L/Auto, Soft Top, High Package, 4.27 Locking Rear Diff, AUX Switches
Reserved: 7/14/20, Ordered: 1/29/21, Built: 9/7/21, Assumed the Reins: 9/14/21
Shadowblade, Jakob1972

No Ragerts

Feb 07, 2021

#2
Hey guys! I know you’ve probably seen a bunch of these but I need the help, I’m going crazy! It’s down to two models, 3 variants. BD 2.3L 4Dr Manual, BD 2.7L 4Dr Auto or BL 4Dr 2.3L Manual. $501, $560, $587 on a lease respectively. I’d like to do some overlanding in the future. I haven’t driven stick in a couple of years, but I still got it. Use to have an 84 Ford F-150 so that’s my experience with driving stick. I just keep going back and forth whether the 2.3l would be enough. I’m currently driving a base 2019 4cyl Tacoma. In terms of power + torque... the 2.3l would most likely be better than the taco. I would be keeping the bronco after lease term is up. Please let me know your thoughts and opinions. Thank you!
I don’t think any of the 3 options are bad but, financially speaking if you know that you are going to keep the vehicle at the end of the lease, you should plan to buy it upfront. It is a bad financial move to plan to buy post-lease unless the lease has some fantastic financial benefit for you outside of the buy scenario.
- 2023 Raptor / Shadow Black / MGV (DOB 8/30/23)
- 2023 Heritage Limited Edition / Robin’s Egg Blue / 4dr / (stolen from my dealer 11/15/23)
Hobgoblin, Thane

Rank 0

Feb 07, 2021

#3
The struggle is real and I can relate. I will share briefly from my experience; my order is a BL, 4dr, 2.3L, Auto, High package non-sasquatch.
BD vs. BL: I was all in on the BD until I thought about missing out on the 360 camera and 12 inch screen. Also, how hard core will your use case be? Moderate=BD, Hard Core=BL.
2.3L vs. 2.7L: I test drove the Ranger with the 2.3L and the F150 with the 2.7L and was very impressed with both. I went with the 2.3L because it is proven, less money, no expected delays and for my experience it It more than enough. I think either engine will be far ahead of the Taco. I know that they both exceed the Wrangler's 3.6L and 2.0T.
Tech: After watching the ride along videos of the BL with 360 camera and large screen I am so glad that I got the BL with the High package.
Hope this helps!

Yeah my use would be moderate to tell you the truth. I guess the big answer for me would be now going stick or auto. The highest package that I can do is the mid package. It’s a shame that they don’t provide it on a BD 2.l manual. Thanks for your input!
Shadowblade, ChapEJF

Rank 0

Feb 07, 2021

#4
I don’t think any of the 3 options are bad but, financially speaking if you know that you are going to keep the vehicle at the end of the lease, you should plan to buy it upfront. It is a bad financial move to plan to buy post-lease unless the lease has some fantastic financial benefit for you outside of the buy scenario.

I would love to pay the vehicle upfront but at the moment I’m just starting out with my career. I’m young and just waiting to see where life takes me. My lease is coming up soon on the taco as well so I need to start looking for something soon! I was honestly considering a 2Dr Base Bronco Sasquatch.. it comes out to roughly $487, but the four door seems more practical to me in the long run.
Shadowblade, Jakob1972

No Ragerts

Feb 07, 2021

#5
I would love to pay the vehicle upfront but at the moment I’m just starting out with my career. I’m young and just waiting to see where life takes me. My lease is coming up soon on the taco as well so I need to start looking for something soon! I was honestly considering a 2Dr Base Bronco Sasquatch.. it comes out to roughly $487, but the four door seems more practical to me in the long run.
I totally understand and appreciate where you are coming from and I was just trying to help. The fact that you already have lease figures makes me worry even more that you may need some financial guidance. Lease details (money factor & residual) change every month and the figures you have today will NOT be the correct figures in 6 months when you finally get your new ride. Hopefully the dealer explained this to you.
- 2023 Raptor / Shadow Black / MGV (DOB 8/30/23)
- 2023 Heritage Limited Edition / Robin’s Egg Blue / 4dr / (stolen from my dealer 11/15/23)
Shadowblade, larousse1826

Rank VI

Feb 07, 2021

#6
I agree with the others that all 3 are fine choices. The 2.3 is more than capable so should not be a concern. If the Mid/High/Lux pkg availability is not a concern then I would lean toward the BD to save some money unless you think you really need the sta-bar disco....most will likely never use it. It really boils down to do you want to row your own gears? The answer was yes for me but that is me.

I also agree with @Bschurr on the lease. I would make some compromises to keep the build cost down and a more manageable purchase pmt vs lease but again just my thoughts. :)
Badlands, 2 door, 2.3L, Manual, High, Non-SAS, Tow Package, Roof Rails, MIC, Velocity Blue
Shadowblade, Jakob1972

Rank 0

Feb 07, 2021

#7
I totally understand and appreciate where you are coming from and I was just trying to help. The fact that you already have lease figures makes me worry even more that you may need some financial guidance. Lease details (money factor & residual) change every month and the figures you have today will NOT be the correct figures in 6 months when you finally get your new ride. Hopefully the dealer explained this to you.


Understood! I’ll definitely talk to my dealer before anything is finalized. They did tell me that they would work around my budget.. maybe that was just them trying to make a quick sale on me. Thanks for letting me know, I appreciate the guidance!
Hobgoblin, Shadowblade

Rank 0

Feb 07, 2021

#8
I agree with the others that all 3 are fine choices. The 2.3 is more than capable so should not be a concern. If the Mid/High/Lux pkg availability is not a concern then I would lean toward the BD to save some money unless you think you really need the sta-bar disco....most will likely never use it. It really boils down to do you want to row your own gears? The answer was yes for me but that is me.

I also agree with @Bschurr on the lease. I would make some compromises to keep the build cost down and a more manageable purchase pmt vs lease but again just my thoughts. :)

Thanks a lot guys! I appreciate all the help! What are you getting? I’m leaning towards the 2.3l!
Shadowblade, Bschurr

No Ragerts

Feb 07, 2021

#9
Thanks a lot guys! I appreciate all the help! What are you getting? I’m leaning towards the 2.3l!
I ordered a Squatched BL, 4 dr, 2.7 Auto, High package, MIC Dual Top w/ Tow capable in Carbonized Grey
- 2023 Raptor / Shadow Black / MGV (DOB 8/30/23)
- 2023 Heritage Limited Edition / Robin’s Egg Blue / 4dr / (stolen from my dealer 11/15/23)
Hobgoblin, SlashRacer

Rank VI

Feb 07, 2021

#10
Thanks a lot guys! I appreciate all the help! What are you getting? I’m leaning towards the 2.3l!
No worries, I know these are tough decisions! I was back and forth on this as well but will be going 2.3 because I want the manual. I figure I can always get an auto down the road but the opportunity for a manual seems to be dwindling quick. :)
Badlands, 2 door, 2.3L, Manual, High, Non-SAS, Tow Package, Roof Rails, MIC, Velocity Blue
Hobgoblin, Shadowblade
Moderator

Life is a Highway

Feb 07, 2021

#11
Once again my main reason for loving this site. People actually have great, civilized conversations and look out for, and build up the COMMUNITY that is here at BN. Great stuff guys!
SlashRacer, Shadowblade

Gladesmen

Feb 08, 2021

#12
For peace of mind please test drive the the Ranger with the 2.3l it has plenty of power for that platform and pair it with a 7 speed and I think you will have a fun ride. That is the route I am taking 4-door and 7 speed high pkg.
I echo the rest vid you can buy instead of lease it will be a better option. You really don’t have anything to show for you payments with a lease. Granted a car is a depreciating asset but if the Broncos are anything like the the wranglers you will have equity anytime you want to get rid of it.
Bronco Nation 1100. Everglades, Desert Sand
Res: 7/30/20 ordered 1/22/21 reorder 10/15/21 changed to Everglades 3/9/22 schedule 8/29/22 bumped to 9/5; 9/7/22 blend, 9/9 Mods, 9/26/22 completed, 10/7 shipped, 11/3/22 delivery
SlashRacer, Shadowblade

Rank VI

Feb 08, 2021

#13
Understood! I’ll definitely talk to my dealer before anything is finalized. They did tell me that they would work around my budget.. maybe that was just them trying to make a quick sale on me. Thanks for letting me know, I appreciate the guidance!
I have leased cars for the last 15 years. I love it, but I do it for a reason. Very specific reasons. Those reasons do not work for the Bronco for ME. As others mentioned before there are some tricks with leasing. So do your homework. It’s a great option for some, but in other cases you can be royally f****d!

The lease is based on the vehicles residual value at the end of your terms: 24, 36, 39, 48.
Miles used effect the residual value, as does options sometimes. Soo study this carefully.

Next, “money factor” is the similar to your APR or interest rate. It’s far more dangerous because it changes monthly (usually) and many dealers will not tell you up front what it is. It is locked once you sign a contract. It’s important! But understanding the number they give you, if you extract it, is also critical.

Down payment, look at the contract before you put any money down, this includes taxes and tags! If the number is good, then offer to lower it with a down payment if you want. I actually never put anything down, but first payment. Remember they will show you in the contract the residual value, money factor paid, taxes, tags, sales price. The monthly payment is just #ofmonths/totalobligate (paid down value+money factor paid+taxes+tags).

The Bronco is in an interesting state. First the 2021 is releasing late in the year. In most manufactures the current calendar years sales consist of the calendar year and the next. Usually this is mid to late summer. This means the 2021 and 2022 should be in dealers late summer 2021. This doesn’t help a lease, because it adds age to the model.

Returning, there is a catch. You have to be sure that when you finish a lease you have met the criteria for the lease as far as mileage AND maintenance. These close out costs can be a real gotcha in that final payment. My last car had a $1,800 maintenance, scratch, and mileage overage. But there is a good trick here. If the value of the car is still high, higher than residual value, you can sell it back to the dealer (usually) and they can give you value of the car. Example: $30kcar leased, residual $15k, returning/selling back value is $17k. That means they can apply $2k to your overage in mileage or maintenance or to your next purchase. But it is a gamble! I’ve won more than lost, but one of my loses was $8k.o_O

Keeping, if you decide to keep the car after a lease you have a few options. Pay off the residual value. That could be 50-60% of the original cost. $35k sale/start of lease, pay down $15k, means a $20k pay off at the end to own. Second you can finance the remaining. This gets tough, usually you have an option if 12-24 months to finance the remaining value of $20k (back to my previous example), which means your payment is now jumping really high. Plus the interest rate is special. My last one was 3.49%, but I have 756 credit score... my payment more than doubled for those last two years.

Minimal Risk, there is one other advantage, one I enjoy. I usually can lease a higher value car, like in this case being able to go to a BL over the BD because the lease payment is only $50 more or something. Then in 36 months I’m paid off. If the value tanks, the cars crap and falling apart, or I want the newest features... it’s just “return” option and start anew.

Once last note, GET GAP INSURANCE!!! Nothing like being responsible for paying off a car you don’t own or can’t drive anymore.
Bronco Nation Member #2396
Ordered: First Edition w/Area 51, Onyx Interior, MIC Top
If you're not in a Ford Bronco, you better be on horseback.
Hobgoblin, larousse1826
Moderator

Defeated by Mickey’s Hot Tub

Feb 08, 2021

#14
I have leased cars for the last 15 years. I love it, but I do it for a reason. Very specific reasons. Those reasons do not work for the Bronco for ME. As others mentioned before there are some tricks with leasing. So do your homework. It’s a great option for some, but in other cases you can be royally f****d!

The lease is based on the vehicles residual value at the end of your terms: 24, 36, 39, 48.
Miles used effect the residual value, as does options sometimes. Soo study this carefully.

Next, “money factor” is the similar to your APR or interest rate. It’s far more dangerous because it changes monthly (usually) and many dealers will not tell you up front what it is. It is locked once you sign a contract. It’s important! But understanding the number they give you, if you extract it, is also critical.

Down payment, look at the contract before you put any money down, this includes taxes and tags! If the number is good, then offer to lower it with a down payment if you want. I actually never put anything down, but first payment. Remember they will show you in the contract the residual value, money factor paid, taxes, tags, sales price. The monthly payment is just #ofmonths/totalobligate (paid down value+money factor paid+taxes+tags).

The Bronco is in an interesting state. First the 2021 is releasing late in the year. In most manufactures the current calendar years sales consist of the calendar year and the next. Usually this is mid to late summer. This means the 2021 and 2022 should be in dealers late summer 2021. This doesn’t help a lease, because it adds age to the model.

Returning, there is a catch. You have to be sure that when you finish a lease you have met the criteria for the lease as far as mileage AND maintenance. These close out costs can be a real gotcha in that final payment. My last car had a $1,800 maintenance, scratch, and mileage overage. But there is a good trick here. If the value of the car is still high, higher than residual value, you can sell it back to the dealer (usually) and they can give you value of the car. Example: $30kcar leased, residual $15k, returning/selling back value is $17k. That means they can apply $2k to your overage in mileage or maintenance or to your next purchase. But it is a gamble! I’ve won more than lost, but one of my loses was $8k.o_O

Keeping, if you decide to keep the car after a lease you have a few options. Pay off the residual value. That could be 50-60% of the original cost. $35k sale/start of lease, pay down $15k, means a $20k pay off at the end to own. Second you can finance the remaining. This gets tough, usually you have an option if 12-24 months to finance the remaining value of $20k (back to my previous example), which means your payment is now jumping really high. Plus the interest rate is special. My last one was 3.49%, but I have 756 credit score... my payment more than doubled for those last two years.

Minimal Risk, there is one other advantage, one I enjoy. I usually can lease a higher value car, like in this case being able to go to a BL over the BD because the lease payment is only $50 more or something. Then in 36 months I’m paid off. If the value tanks, the cars crap and falling apart, or I want the newest features... it’s just “return” option and start anew.

Once last note, GET GAP INSURANCE!!! Nothing like being responsible for paying off a car you don’t own or can’t drive anymore.

I bought a new Raptor in 2010 and was talked into purchasing the GAP insurance for it. I sold it 3 years after I bought it for $3,000 less than what I paid for it. GAP insurance wasn't needed.

The Bronco being a new vehicle and in demand, it should hold its value better. Do you think the GAP insurance is necessary?
2021 Badlands, 4 door, 2.7L, Auto, LUX, SAS, Tow Package, MIC, Velocity Blue.

Rank VI

Feb 08, 2021

#15
I bought a new Raptor in 2010 and was talked into purchasing the GAP insurance for it. I sold it 3 years after I bought it for $3,000 less than what I paid for it. GAP insurance wasn't needed.

The Bronco being a new vehicle and in demand, it should hold its value better. Do you think the GAP insurance is necessary?
GAP insurance is there if you get in a crash. Let’s say you drive off the dealer lot with your new Bronco and some person runs a light and totals your bronco. You paid $40k for your brand new bronco but Mr. awesome insurance adjuster comes out and says “this is a used vehicle that got totaled.... it’s value is $20k”. Now you are on the hook for that other $20k since that’s all insurance will pay out. Gap insurance would cover that $20k if you had Gap. It’s all on how much insurance will pay you if your car gets totaled.
MY21 2dr Black Diamond 7MT Velocity Blue!
Shadowblade

Rank 0

Feb 08, 2021

#16
Yeah my use would be moderate to tell you the truth. I guess the big answer for me would be now going stick or auto. The highest package that I can do is the mid package. It’s a shame that they don’t provide it on a BD 2.l manual. Thanks for your input!

Some things to consider when choosing between stick or auto is where you are going to be driving it most. Do you live in a big city with lots of stop/go traffic? If so, driving a manual can get tiring. If you don't do a lot of stop and go then manuals are a ton of fun, decrease your chance of vehicle getting stolen (since most people can't drive stick), and manuals are a dying breed so here's your chance to have one :)
Shadowblade, larousse1826
Moderator

Defeated by Mickey’s Hot Tub

Feb 08, 2021

#17
GAP insurance is there if you get in a crash. Let’s say you drive off the dealer lot with your new Bronco and some person runs a light and totals your bronco. You paid $40k for your brand new bronco but Mr. awesome insurance adjuster comes out and says “this is a used vehicle that got totaled.... it’s value is $20k”. Now you are on the hook for that other $20k since that’s all insurance will pay out. Gap insurance would cover that $20k if you had Gap. It’s all on how much insurance will pay you if your car gets totaled.

GAP insurance is useful if someone financed a loss(trade in vehicle wasn't worth what they owed) on a new vehicle or they paid above(ADM) the value of the vehicle. They are "upside down" on the vehicle already.

My insurance policy covers replacement cost. I will not be financing a loss into my Bronco and will not purchase GAP insurance. If I drive off the lot and the Bronco gets totaled, my insurance will cover it.

The Bronco being new and in demand, it should hold its resale value pretty well.
2021 Badlands, 4 door, 2.7L, Auto, LUX, SAS, Tow Package, MIC, Velocity Blue.

Rank 0

Feb 08, 2021

#18
For peace of mind please test drive the the Ranger with the 2.3l it has plenty of power for that platform and pair it with a 7 speed and I think you will have a fun ride. That is the route I am taking 4-door and 7 speed high pkg.
I echo the rest vid you can buy instead of lease it will be a better option. You really don’t have anything to show for you payments with a lease. Granted a car is a depreciating asset but if the Broncos are anything like the the wranglers you will have equity anytime you want to get rid of it.

Yeah I’ll most likely test drive a ranger soon! I’ll keep that in kind thank you!
Jakob1972

Rank 0

Feb 08, 2021

#19
I have leased cars for the last 15 years. I love it, but I do it for a reason. Very specific reasons. Those reasons do not work for the Bronco for ME. As others mentioned before there are some tricks with leasing. So do your homework. It’s a great option for some, but in other cases you can be royally f****d!

The lease is based on the vehicles residual value at the end of your terms: 24, 36, 39, 48.
Miles used effect the residual value, as does options sometimes. Soo study this carefully.

Next, “money factor” is the similar to your APR or interest rate. It’s far more dangerous because it changes monthly (usually) and many dealers will not tell you up front what it is. It is locked once you sign a contract. It’s important! But understanding the number they give you, if you extract it, is also critical.

Down payment, look at the contract before you put any money down, this includes taxes and tags! If the number is good, then offer to lower it with a down payment if you want. I actually never put anything down, but first payment. Remember they will show you in the contract the residual value, money factor paid, taxes, tags, sales price. The monthly payment is just #ofmonths/totalobligate (paid down value+money factor paid+taxes+tags).

The Bronco is in an interesting state. First the 2021 is releasing late in the year. In most manufactures the current calendar years sales consist of the calendar year and the next. Usually this is mid to late summer. This means the 2021 and 2022 should be in dealers late summer 2021. This doesn’t help a lease, because it adds age to the model.

Returning, there is a catch. You have to be sure that when you finish a lease you have met the criteria for the lease as far as mileage AND maintenance. These close out costs can be a real gotcha in that final payment. My last car had a $1,800 maintenance, scratch, and mileage overage. But there is a good trick here. If the value of the car is still high, higher than residual value, you can sell it back to the dealer (usually) and they can give you value of the car. Example: $30kcar leased, residual $15k, returning/selling back value is $17k. That means they can apply $2k to your overage in mileage or maintenance or to your next purchase. But it is a gamble! I’ve won more than lost, but one of my loses was $8k.o_O

Keeping, if you decide to keep the car after a lease you have a few options. Pay off the residual value. That could be 50-60% of the original cost. $35k sale/start of lease, pay down $15k, means a $20k pay off at the end to own. Second you can finance the remaining. This gets tough, usually you have an option if 12-24 months to finance the remaining value of $20k (back to my previous example), which means your payment is now jumping really high. Plus the interest rate is special. My last one was 3.49%, but I have 756 credit score... my payment more than doubled for those last two years.

Minimal Risk, there is one other advantage, one I enjoy. I usually can lease a higher value car, like in this case being able to go to a BL over the BD because the lease payment is only $50 more or something. Then in 36 months I’m paid off. If the value tanks, the cars crap and falling apart, or I want the newest features... it’s just “return” option and start anew.

Once last note, GET GAP INSURANCE!!! Nothing like being responsible for paying off a car you don’t own or can’t drive anymore.

I honestly appreciate all the information and help I’ve been getting. It’s definitely something that I’ll look into before placing any order!
Shadowblade, Deano Bronc

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