Baxter cartridge-to-spin on oil filter conversion

I’m not seeing anything but this-

To fix something that isn't broken" means to try to change or improve something that is already working perfectly well, often implying that the attempt to "fix" it could potentially lead to problems or unintended consequences; essentially, it's a saying that advises against unnecessary meddling with something that is already functioning properly.

I can do 10 full synthetic oil changes for the price of this conversion. Many people don’t even keep their vehicles for that timeframe.

What’s the point of this system?

Don't need a math lesson - was asking if anyone had installed this kit - looking for first hand experience. Not some Confucius-like philosophical horseshit. But thanks.

Not philosophical HS, just some common sense questions and concerns. When this thing fails so will your warranty. I ask the same thing, for the average vehicle what does this add? Unless you are a climber or hard offroad driver I don't get it.

I simply asked for feedback from people who are USING the product. And not that it matters given the simple request I made, but, my truck will get used hard offroad year round for work and play. Oil faster to the top end on a cold start makes a difference to me and probably anyone who understands how an ICE operates. And, I'll have to disagree on what's horseshit here. Neither the response from extra toasty or you is helpful. I posed a simple question. If you can't offer something meaningful, why not just move on to the next topic? All that said, this device is a machined piece of billet that extends the oil circuit. Hardly a lot to go wrong here. Again, I was hoping to hear from actual users - anyone who could confirm on a Ford 3.0 what reviews state for other engines - specifically that start-up noise is significantly reduced.

I dunno sometime the factory does things that just cost less for manufacturing. That is where the aftermarket comes in to solve a problem. That said I don’t have a 2.7 or a 3.0 so I don’t know if that really is a problem. But keeping oil in the top end does sound like a good idea. But you can prime your oil system before start up with a fairly simple protocol. I think you just push the go pedal to the floor then push the start button something like that. That will prime the oil system. I don’t worry too much about that with todays oils they leave a pretty decent film on lubricated parts. But it I was leaving the car dormant for a few months I would probably prime it before a start up. But for $300-ish bucks that might be cheap insurance. I did add an oil catch can to my 2.3l for just that reason.
Hope you find the information you are looking for. Sorry I am not much help.

Jakob1972

I dunno sometime the factory does things that just cost less for manufacturing. That is where the aftermarket comes in to solve a problem. That said I don’t have a 2.7 or a 3.0 so I don’t know if that really is a problem. But keeping oil in the top end does sound like a good idea. But you can prime your oil system before start up with a fairly simple protocol. I think you just push the go pedal to the floor then push the start button something like that. That will prime the oil system. I don’t worry too much about that with todays oils they leave a pretty decent film on lubricated parts. But it I was leaving the car dormant for a few months I would probably prime it before a start up. But for $300-ish bucks that might be cheap insurance. I did add an oil catch can to my 2.3l for just that reason.
Hope you find the information you are looking for. Sorry I am not much help.

Thx, Jakob - Merry Christmas.

Bad Rap

Thx, Jakob - Merry Christmas.

Marry Christmas.

Bad Rap

I simply asked for feedback from people who are USING the product. And not that it matters given the simple request I made, but, my truck will get used hard offroad year round for work and play. Oil faster to the top end on a cold start makes a difference to me and probably anyone who understands how an ICE operates. And, I'll have to disagree on what's horseshit here. Neither the response from extra toasty or you is helpful. I posed a simple question. If you can't offer something meaningful, why not just move on to the next topic? All that said, this device is a machined piece of billet that extends the oil circuit. Hardly a lot to go wrong here. Again, I was hoping to hear from actual users - anyone who could confirm on a Ford 3.0 what reviews state for other engines - specifically that start-up noise is significantly reduced.

Sometimes it’s hard to believe the audacity of certain people when they don’t get an exact spoon 🥄 fed answer to their questions. This like any other forum is full of conjecture and opinions. There are very few facts ever presented (and they may be questionable).
You also asked more than one question, maybe you forgot or maybe you didn’t understand the replies.
I guess maybe you shouldn’t ask anything if you’re inclined to disagree/disrespect with all that respond.
Please let me try to help you one more time.
Go ahead and buy your “snake oil” solution and then you may report back with a bunch of conjecture and opinion for others to slam.😉

OP, the first post gave you the answer. It's a $380 answer to a question no one asked. The horseshit is that this product somehow gets oil to the valve train faster than the cartridge oil filter system it replaces, and does that actually matter.

I have cumulatively about 1 million miles on five BMWs all that have used a cartridge oil filter system. One BMW, which I still daily has 426,000 miles on it. Of the other two I still have, one is at 200,000, and the other at 122,000. The two I no longer have, one went 256,000 before I sold it, and the other was at 135,000 when I sold it. There is no engineering defect with the oil filter cartridge design; it's tried and true engineering. But you can decide to add a fix to something that requires no fixing.

And yes, it will give Ford a perfect reason to deny an engine warranty claim. Stating you can always remove the apparatus in fear of denial of a warranty claim, tells you all you need to know.

I respectfully ask you all to please stop. A question was asked. No need for convoluted responses or disrespect. Thank you all for your participation in the forums. And a Merry Christmas/Hanukkah to you all.

TK1215

I respectfully ask you all to please stop. A question was asked. No need for convoluted responses or disrespect. Thank you all for your participation in the forums. And a Merry Christmas/Hanukkah to you all.

He asked if anyone is using the product and his two questions are, (a) does it require pressurized air to clear oil from the device at oil change time, and (b) could it be reaon for Ford to deny a warranty claim. I think the manufacturer answers the first question ("Minimum 30 psi for 3 seconds. This information is also provided in our installation instructions that can be located under the “About” tab on our homepage...").

The warranty claim question is only answerable by someone who has used the product, had a engine failure warranty claim denied because an internal lubricated engine part failed due to improper lubrication caused by the product. If the warranty claim denial prossibiliy is not an obvious answer to anyone, well then that's just difficult to understand.

The product manufacturer has a discussion regarding voiding of the vehicle warranty. Their language obfuscates the question. They cite the Magnuson-Moss warranty act, which is one of the most misunderstood items of Government automotive related legislation.

Eninty

He asked if anyone is using the product and his two questions are, (a) does it require pressurized air to clear oil from the device at oil change time, and (b) could it be reaon for Ford to deny a warranty claim. I think the manufacturer answers the first question. The warranty claim question is only answerable by someone who has used the product, had a engine failure warranty claim denied because an internal lubricated engine part failed due to improper lubrication caused by the product. If the warranty claim denial prossibiliy is not an obvious answer to anyone, well then that's just difficult to understand.

The product manufacturer has a discussion regarding voiding of the vehicle warranty. Their language obfuscates the question. They cite the Magnuson-Moss warranty act, which is one of the most misunderstood items of Government automotive related legislation.

You sound correct

@Bad Rap, I haven’t used or know anyone who has used this product, so I can’t help there. A short answer for you regarding the warranty question. Any change we make from stock CAN void the warranty. I always recommend having a good working relationship with your dealership service person. A good dealership, with quality people can go a long way when issues arise.

Bad Rap

Don't need a math lesson - was asking if anyone had installed this kit - looking for first hand experience. Not some Confucius-like philosophical horseshit. But thanks.

So, you are looking for another BN member who had a warranty claim denied because due to use of this specific unapproved Ford oil filter apparatus?

Merry Christmas, all.

Oh, and Santa is going to bring me the Baxter kit. If anyone wants to hear the feedback once installed, PM me.

Jakob1972

I dunno sometime the factory does things that just cost less for manufacturing. That is where the aftermarket comes in to solve a problem. That said I don’t have a 2.7 or a 3.0 so I don’t know if that really is a problem. But keeping oil in the top end does sound like a good idea. But you can prime your oil system before start up with a fairly simple protocol. I think you just push the go pedal to the floor then push the start button something like that. That will prime the oil system. I don’t worry too much about that with todays oils they leave a pretty decent film on lubricated parts. But it I was leaving the car dormant for a few months I would probably prime it before a start up. But for $300-ish bucks that might be cheap insurance. I did add an oil catch can to my 2.3l for just that reason.
Hope you find the information you are looking for. Sorry I am not much help.

Sorry that I can't leave this topic alone, and not a flame here on your comment. Cartridge oil filter systems have an anti-drain valve built into the oil filter housing the cartridge fits into, so they do hold back oil for "lubrication of the top end for cold engine starts". The cartridge system is not a less-cost for manufacturing, it's actually the opposite. The benefit is lower cost replacement oil filters because just the filter element is needed for an oil change rather than a new housing, baseplate, core tube and drain-back valve.

I have had several of the cartridge type filters in vehicles. My first one was on my 6.0l Powerstroke if I remember right it had a valve that would hold the oil until you loosed the cap then it would drain oil back down. That motor would hold like 2 quarts in the top end so you were never replacing all the oil even with a full 4 gallon oil change. But that motor used oil pressure to pressurize the fuel system and that was its fatal flaw, now a 12V Cummins lives in that spot. But The longest running motor I have is in my Cobalt it has cartridges type filter it only has 372,000 miles on it so I don’t think they are a bad design. I was only speaking in general terms when I said manufacturers cheap out on stuff, and aftermarket step in to make better stuff. Like Charge air cooler for example.

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty act states:

"(c) Waiver of standards
The performance of the duties under subsection (a) of this section shall not be required of the warrantor if he can show that the defect, malfunction, or failure of any warranted consumer product to conform with a written warranty, was caused by damage (not resulting from defect or malfunction) while in the possession of the consumer, or unreasonable use (including failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance)."

Subsection (a) states (in brief):
"(a) Remedies under written warranty; duration of implied warranty; exclusion or limitation on consequential damages for breach of written or implied warranty; election of refund or replacement
In order for a warrantor warranting a consumer product by means of a written warranty to meet the Federal minimum standards for warranty..." [this just means the manufacturer's warranty has to meet minimum Federal requirements]

The manufacturer can claim unauthorized modifications to the vehicle fit the meaning of unreasonable use.

THE Bronco Warranty states:

"OWNER’S WARRANTY RESPONSIBILITIES ... As the vehicle owner, you should also be aware that Ford Motor Company may deny you warranty coverage if your vehicle or a part has failed due to abuse, neglect, improper maintenance, or unapproved modifications."

If an owner modifies his vehicle with an unapproved modification within the warranty period, he takes the risk of the manufacturer not enforcing the warranty. Ford clearly states what can void the warranty repair of the vehicle, which the Magnuson Act requires Ford to do.