924 lbs Payload on the FE? Really?

Just for comparison, here is the site that shows max payload/towing for Jeeps.

Yup... but those couple hundred pounds are a couple hundred pounds - and the very reason the roof rack is no longer an option.

(Appreciate the comparo TCopp. Currently use tire carrier for skis and it’s a PITA. I was looking forward to the option of having a roof rack AND the ability to remove the top.)

I've yet to meet a Jeep owner who doesn't swap out bumpers, increase tire size, add a rack, winch and fuel cans. You have now lowered payload below the Bronco. My coworker has the 392 ordered and he already knows he needs all of those things. It is not apples to apples. The tolerances on a Jeep are actually much tighter once you do all of that. There is a reason Jeeps don't come with racks either. There is barely a legal Jeep out there. All of that after you pony up the $77k with no options to speak of. The FE already has 35's, bash plates, winch, bumper to accommodate winch.

And the same goes for the Bronco. Point is starting at 924 is econo-car territory. Seriously, you can’t add a brush guard on a 2.7, or even a headliner to a squatched Badlands! Why? Because that puts the MPL too close to margins for Ford to be comfortable with. You have 200lbs out the gate on a Rubicon with steel bumpers. 400 on non-Rubicons. How do you promote a new vehicle as an “Overlander” when it is so inherently limited from the factory?

YukonCornelius

And the same goes for the Bronco. Point is starting at 924 is econo-car territory. Seriously, you can’t add a brush guard on a 2.7, or even a headliner to a squatched Badlands! Why? Because that puts the MPL too close to margins for Ford to be comfortable with. You have 200lbs out the gate on a Rubicon with steel bumpers. 400 on non-Rubicons. How do you promote a new vehicle as an “Overlander” when it is so inherently limited from the factory?

I don't know. Not a perfect set-up either way. Like I said not many in the overland world are within specs unless they are running 1/2 ton trucks or bigger. I know my old Jeep 2014 Rubicon was out of spec and was not fun to drive on mountain roads with the roof top tent up there. Probably will be the same with the Bronco. My 2010 Tundra was awesome as far as capacity was concerned, just too big for alot of the trails.

You’re spot on... no ideal or perfect setup for all, but many excel in some. Just had much higher hopes at launch only to have them whittled away little by little as features have changed and been removed. The FE promised in pounds, now delivering in ounces. An announced sub-1000 lb payload capacity is weak on a utilitarian 4x4. Very weak.
At least we now know why all those promises dropped off the B&P. So there’s that.

What I want to know is what changes will be made for 22MY. What are they changing that makes the Roof Rack available with the 4dr Sasquatch?

YukonCornelius

And the same goes for the Bronco. Point is starting at 924 is econo-car territory. Seriously, you can’t add a brush guard on a 2.7, or even a headliner to a squatched Badlands! Why? Because that puts the MPL too close to margins for Ford to be comfortable with. You have 200lbs out the gate on a Rubicon with steel bumpers. 400 on non-Rubicons. How do you promote a new vehicle as an “Overlander” when it is so inherently limited from the factory?

It is true Ford pulled off an amazing launch for the Bronco and now reality is setting in. Ultimately, a Bronco needs to accomplish the tasks as directed by its owner. The owners may need to realize a Bronco can not do everything well. But that is true of any vehicle. The hard part for many potential owners is deciding what they want their Bronco to do well. Unfortunately, we live in a world that says, “I want it all”. But that is not reality.

I want my Badlands 2-door to excel at Overlanding and it will. At the same time, I will stay well within the GVWR and the roof rack dynamic and static weight limits. For my part, I will carefully select gear with a keen understanding of each item's weight and size. I will not have a Dometic fridge, a Goose Gear kitchen, a rooftop tent nor a winch and will be happy with my decisions.

For your own peace of mind, you should continue your deep dive into understanding alternative vehicle choices. I spent weeks doing the same. Eventually, you will arrive at a conclusion and hopefully be happy with your decision. Remember what a wise person once said, “True happiness is the ability to make good decisions.” May you find true happiness!

Pakrat

What I want to know is what changes will be made for 22MY

‘That’s the $10,000 question and why I may wait until MY22 now. They say ‘22’s will have option for rack with Sasquatch.

YukonCornelius

‘That’s the $10,000 question and why I may wait until MY22 now. They say ‘22’s will have option for rack with Sasquatch.

I suspect MY22 will be amazing since we already know the good stuff is coming. But little stuff, such as the carpet on the rear seat backs in the MGV models, should be fixed. That was a real dopey oversight!

The BIG issue which may surface in MY22 will be a conclusion on the part of Ford regarding the reservation system. They may learn something from the dealer-to-dealer transfers within the reservation system as well as the volume of the reservation to order completion. They may also aim to make the Bronco a high-volume line within Ford. If all this learning and a volume goal come together, we could very well see an X-plan discount offered for Bronco buyers. Even better might be X-plan pricing offered as a benefit to paid membership in Bronco Nation.

Perhaps MY22 could turn out to be a great year to buy a Bronco and to be a paid member of the Bronco Nation. :)

Note: Ideas expressed in this post are purely the hopes of @BuzzyBud and do not necessarily represent the views of Ford or BN management.

BuzzyBud

we could very well see an X-plan discount offered for Bronco buyers

one can only hope

If they're doing all this magical stuff to the 22 models, I'm hoping there is some kind of update program for those of us that get 21 models. For example, as @BuzzyBud mentioned, if they do decide to not put carpet on the back of the MGV seats, we could trade our carpet backed seats for new non carpet seats.

That won't happen. They will build new vehicles with the configuration they have going forward, not retro-fit a previous model.

AcesandEights

That won't happen. They will build new vehicles with the configuration they have going forward, not retro-fit a previous model.

Yep it’s a crap shoot. Sometimes they take away good things after the first model year, for example the 2008 Malibu is the only year they have side marker lights, most of the time they are adding cool stuff to subsequent MY. Hopefully the MY 22 doesn’t lose anything cool and they only add to it. We will see since I am most likely going to be pushed to the MY22 with my 7/30/20 reservation.

I'll have a 2021. My dealer stated multiple times, the 2022 will be a better rig, better options, probably better standard equipment. Sounds like the 2021 may be an experiment in what works and what doesn't, or what Ford can build and how fast, versus what they can deliver that is better than what they can produce up front. I don't mind because I want a 1964.5 Bronco, but ultimately, those in line behind me will likely get a better product.

I heard the payload on the 2022 will be 925lbs!! :eek: I better wait.....because I better wait......because I’ve waited this long! :poop:

Ahhhhhhhh......kiss off waiting! All the nonsense just gets twisted as “features” or “improvements” because they gotta sell as many or more in 2022, 23, 24, 25 and so on......there’s going to be countless things that can and will change but I’m getting older and life isn’t starting next year or three years from now.....happy hour is now......not when the payload number goes up! :rolleyes: One thing I’ve learned in life is, someone’s always got it better than you and someone’s always got it worse than you......I’ll gladly take my FE at the end of this year with a black top, black interior thank you very much!

Broncofly

I heard the payload on the 2022 will be 925lbs!! :eek: I better wait.....because I better wait......because I’ve waited this long! :poop:

Ahhhhhhhh......kiss off waiting! All the nonsense just gets twisted as “features” or “improvements” because they gotta sell as many or more in 2022, 23, 24, 25 and so on......there’s going to be countless things that can and will change but I’m getting older and life isn’t starting next year or three years from now.....happy hour is now......not when the payload number goes up! :rolleyes: One thing I’ve learned in life is, someone’s always got it better than you and someone’s always got it worse than you......I’ll gladly take my FE at the end of this year with a black top, black interior thank you very much!

I'm not sure what miracle people are waiting for in MY22. While I'm sure there will be some minor cosmetic changes and color choices and maybe some additional options available during the order process it is going to be fundamentally the same vehicle. I get it if you want the manual with 2.7 but Ford has invested way too much to simply change production over to something significantly different.

TCopp

If they're doing all this magical stuff to the 22 models, I'm hoping there is some kind of update program for those of us that get 21 models. For example, as @BuzzyBud mentioned, if they do decide to not put carpet on the back of the MGV seats, we could trade our carpet backed seats for new non carpet seats.

That's not going to happen. They may sell you new seats, but they're not trading.

I forgot to mention......a new TRD Pro 4Runner has an 880lbs payload rating. That’s a big dog or a kid worth of room the Bronco can bring along.:unsure: Just saying......