2.7 Engine Oil Capacity and Oil Change

Its my understanding ford came out with the correct dipstick for the 2.7 but I don't know the part number.

radar3d

thank you... then mine has the incorrect dipstick... I will look to get the correct one but I think it is back ordered... I am guessing but I think they are underestimating how may Broncos went out with the wrong dip stick (Few months is under statement)

AJ Judi
Maybe this is an old exhausted topic but I am a new owner... what is the final word on this... 6 quarts or 7? my latest findings is that it is 7 and Ford put in the wrong dipstick in the truck and now they don't want to recall the wrong dipstick so they changed the oil capacity to 6 so the wrong one reads correctly... I saw several videos on youtube that the guy drained 7 quarts from the engine. Several owners say when they too delivery of their Bronco the dipstick read way overfilled..... Please advise...

It is 6 quarts. They FORD finally changed the owners manuals (stating 6 quarts instead of 7 quarts)
So….. the stock 2.7 dip stick at the max fill line is 6 quarts….

I can personally vouch for this.

Ford has handled this oil capacity’s situation horribly…

I personally own the 3.0 B-Raptor dip stick which was the 7 quart registering dip stick of the moment as I was patron of 7 quarts fill… until they FORD finally made up their mind…

To… 6 quarts… i. e. to the max fill line….with the stock dip stick.

To verify (6qts) again please check your current owners manual….

Here is the most current version of the 2022 Ford Bronco owners manual for the 2.7 oil capacity…

I hope this helps
-Tahotrvlr

Interesting. I changed my own oil and put in 7 quarts. It came right to the top of fill line of the dipstick. I have seen snapshots of both 6 and 7 quart posts.


This is right out of my Owners manual.
How did the 2022's (built in 2021) get built with a 2023 Raptor 3.0 dipstick before the model was even announced? A truck of which there are literally none on the road? Curious....

Nminus1

Interesting. I changed my own oil and put in 7 quarts. It came right to the top of fill line of the dipstick. I have seen snapshots of both 6 and 7 quart posts.


This is right out of my Owners manual.
How did the 2022's (built in 2021) get built with a 2023 Raptor 3.0 dipstick before the model was even announced? A truck of which there are literally none on the road? Curious....

very confusing.... for now I have put in 7..... there is no leak, etc... I will wait for another 2k to 3k for the next oil change and hopefully by then this matter is resolved....

AJ Judi

very confusing.... for now I have put in 7..... there is no leak, etc... I will wait for another 2k to 3k for the next oil change and hopefully by then this matter is resolved....

Leave it up to Ford to keep us in the dark. Ford could come on this forum and tell us what is right, but No fing way that will happen. Thanks a lot FORD !

Bronco 202?

Leave it up to Ford to keep us in the dark. Ford could come on this forum and tell us what is right, but No fing way that will happen. Thanks a lot FORD !

I think at this point since FORD now has revised the number to 6 quarts they will NEVER go back to 7 quarts since many people who have put in 6 will end up saying my engine is now F'ed up since you revised to 6 and I followed and now you are saying its 7!!!!... give me a new engine for free since this one is probably damaged from putting in 6..... it is much easier to force the people who have put in 7 to put in 6 moving forward and just say don't worry 7 will not damage your engine...

This 6-7 quart controversy has a history…
First off Ford overfilled the engines from the beginnin to this day….

In July if ‘21 I purchased this first Bronco delivered at my dealership, a 4door SASQ 2.7 mid, tow, soft top Black Diamond….
-the oil level from new went into the twist on the dip stick.. (7.5 quarts factory fill) way past the Max fill level.

And Ford (BN) made it known that 7 quarts was the correct amount of oil to use …. (even though the 2.7 F-150 motor took 6 qts)

Anyway this dealership (I think) in Florida through whatever channels discovered the 3.0 Braptor dip stick a derivative of a Lincoln part (I think) was available through Ford Parts which allowed you to actually read the 7 qts on the max fill area of the dip stick (not into the twists)…. I purchased this dipstick through my dealer…. Which I still have….
I ran 7 quarts and could read it on the max fill line of the Braptor dip stick…
Everything just fine….

Fast forward 1 year later….

Aug 2022…. My originally ordered 2door Badlands 2.7 shows up …. Same factory overfill…same stock dip stick…

But only this time Ford announces they have revamped the manuals and 6 quarts was their chosen official capacity….. so all the Bronco6g folks who spent months tracking down dip sticks … filling to 7 quarts had to abandoned their mission… most folks went back to 6 quarts and their original dip sticks ….(like me)

So now my Braptor dip stick hangs on my wall as a tribute to this whole controversy….

I guess the Bronco Nation never took a position….on the 6 quarts Ford oil capacity proclamation …

For the record, I have a email from a regional Ford service rep…to NOT use the upgraded dip stick, however if you used 7 quarts that it wouldn’t hurt the engine…(this was several months before Ford came up with their 6 qts proclamation)

It just shows that they had no idea what they were doing!!!! Why would reading 7 quarts on the max fill line… (instead of the twists) be a “problem”????!

Clearly this regional rep was talking out his ass!
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Here is how I see this overfilling your engine issue……

Overfilling a turbo engine where the crankshaft is splashing in oil churning up oil vapor….
…..the engine under boost builds up tremendous positive crank case pressure (aka blow by) and the pressure has nowhere to go….
IMO this Is a recipe for disaster.

What can happen is…. Positive pressured oil vapor can back streaming through the breather tube (incoming clean air) to the intercooler… which will clog up and severely reduce its ability to cool hot compressed air feeding your engine….

So for what it is worth, I am not inclined to agree with the FORD (Rep) that 7 quarts (one quart past the max fill line) can’t hurt the engine.

Remember this is the same 2.7 that has been thoroughly tested in the F 150 and has done extremely well with its 6 quarts capacity.

Just my 2cents

Tahotrvlr

This 6-7 quart controversy has a history…
First off Ford overfilled the engines from the beginnin to this day….

In July if ‘21 I purchased this first Bronco delivered at my dealership, a 4door SASQ 2.7 mid, tow, soft top Black Diamond….
-the oil level from new went into the twist on the dip stick.. (7.5 quarts factory fill) way past the Max fill level.

And Ford (BN) made it known that 7 quarts was the correct amount of oil to use …. (even though the 2.7 F-150 motor took 6 qts)

Anyway this dealership (I think) in Florida through whatever channels discovered the 3.0 Braptor dip stick a derivative of a Lincoln part (I think) was available through Ford Parts which allowed you to actually read the 7 qts on the max fill area of the dip stick (not into the twists)…. I purchased this dipstick through my dealer…. Which I still have….
I ran 7 quarts and could read it on the max fill line of the Braptor dip stick…
Everything just fine….

Fast forward 1 year later….

Aug 2022…. My originally ordered 2door Badlands 2.7 shows up …. Same factory overfill…same stock dip stick…

But only this time Ford announces they have revamped the manuals and 6 quarts was their chosen official capacity….. so all the Bronco6g folks who spent months tracking down dip sticks … filling to 7 quarts had to abandoned their mission… most folks went back to 6 quarts and their original dip sticks ….(like me)

So now my Braptor dip stick hangs on my wall as a tribute to this whole controversy….

I guess the Bronco Nation never took a position….on the 6 quarts Ford oil capacity proclamation …

For the record, I have a email from a regional Ford service rep…to NOT use the upgraded dip stick, however if you used 7 quarts that it wouldn’t hurt the engine…(this was several months before Ford came up with their 6 qts proclamation)

It just shows that they had no idea what they were doing!!!! Why would reading 7 quarts on the max fill line… (instead of the twists) be a “problem”????!

Clearly this regional rep was talking out his ass!
———————————————-
Here is how I see this overfilling your engine issue……

Overfilling a turbo engine where the crankshaft is splashing in oil churning up oil vapor….
…..the engine under boost builds up tremendous positive crank case pressure (aka blow by) and the pressure has nowhere to go….
IMO this Is a recipe for disaster.

What can happen is…. Positive pressured oil vapor can back streaming through the breather tube (incoming clean air) to the intercooler… which will clog up and severely reduce its ability to cool hot compressed air feeding your engine….

So for what it is worth, I am not inclined to agree with the FORD (Rep) that 7 quarts (one quart past the max fill line) can’t hurt the engine.

Remember this is the same 2.7 that has been thoroughly tested in the F 150 and has done extremely well with its 6 quarts capacity.

Just my 2cents

thank you for the information.. I am not nearly as technical about engines etc. as yourself... the only one thing I read on another forum is that someone had the same argument as yourself that this engine is same as the F-150 and that one takes 6 quarts so why now in Bronco 7 quarts... someone answered that the oil pan in Bronco is different than in F-150 and therefore, it takes more.. they even put a diagram of the two and the Bronco one is deeper... with the knowledge of the engines you have etc. do you think this is a valid argument? BTW I am going to Bronco Off-road event this coming this weekend and I can ask the experts there also.... thank you...

AJ Judi
thank you for the information.. I am not nearly as technical about engines etc. as yourself... the only one thing I read on another forum is that someone had the same argument as yourself that this engine is same as the F-150 and that one takes 6 quarts so why now in Bronco 7 quarts... someone answered that the oil pan in Bronco is different than in F-150 and therefore, it takes more.. they even put a diagram of the two and the Bronco one is deeper... with the knowledge of the engines you have etc. do you think this is a valid argument? BTW I am going to Bronco Off-road event this coming this weekend and I can ask the experts there also.... thank you...

If Ford invented a larger pan to take seven quarts then the oil level on the dip stick would drop to the max fill mark on the dip stick
It doesn’t…. It reads 7 quarts well past the max fill into the twist part of the dip stick.

In other words… 6 quarts max fill reading on the F150 2.7 reading is the same as the 6 quarts max fill reading on the Bronco 2.7 dip stick…(at the max fill line)

I’ve built several engines from dry sump to oil baffled pans with windage trays and oil scrapers.

Regardless of what engine you have, the goal is not to have the crankshaft splash in a lake of oil….foaming up!!!

Therefore the crank splashing/oil level location is considered “the max fill line” aka to never fill past this line……

Therefore the distance to the crank bottom rotation on a 2.7 aka max fill oil level, is always going to be the same… regardless of what pan you use…

This why dip stick’s exist.
I hope this makes sense.

So I don’t buy the larger pan theory for the 2.7 Bronco.

They FORD might have added baffles to keep the oil pick up location on extreme angles (aka Rock crawling) constantly fed with oil…. That would make sense ..but larger pan??? I don’t believe so…

I have no explanation why or how Ford came up with the 7 quart capacity from the Bronco’s inception…

The owners manual clearly states don’t fill past the max fill line…. Yet Seven quarts is way past the max fill and into the twists on the dip stick..
and….
to top it off, it comes overfilled with oil from the factory new….overfilled (reading into the twists) ??????

None of this has ever made any sense….
And
It still doesn’t!!!!

Well, I have followed along with the controversy and completed the first three oil changes myself. I wasn’t satisfied with any of the solutions so I measured how much came out (more than 5qts) estimated the filter and remaining oil at 1 qt. And split the difference, filling to 6.5qts. I noted the oil level via picture , drove the vehicle, looked for indicators of over-fill (smoke on inclines, oil on the fill cap) and ores no problems. Did the same the next two fills, no problem. Now I just use 7.5 and have seen zero use in the 5k intervals I am using (Mobil 1 5/30 “truck blend “ whatever that is, it meets the latest specs). Just one option 😊

I’m a big fan of Mobil 1 (fully synthetic) too!

Fully synthetic oils in general are far superior than conventional oils.

That’s another thing…. With Ford’s Synthetic blend (which comes stock in our Bronco’s) the base oil is not fully synthetic…
Therefore it is not in the shadow of fully synthetic oil… as far as performance.

With fully synthetic oil the carbon chains break down at a much higher temperature… thus during the combustion process the oil chemical breakdown is a fraction of that of non synthetic base (dinosaur oil).

So since the 2.7 with direct injection had coking issues (thank god not our 2.7’s) …. Plus the heat created by the Turbos ….Why would you run anything other than a fully synthetic oil…

Not that I’m an expert of a thing… but this is common sense here people!!!

Not everthing that FORD does is gospel…
That is for sure!!!!

But everyone can treat their 50-60K dollar investment any way they want!!!

Ford might want you to run their Dino oil based oil… but I would not consider it.

Tahotrvlr

I’m a big fan of Mobil 1 (fully synthetic) too!

Fully synthetic oils in general are far superior than conventional oils.

That’s another thing…. With Ford’s Synthetic blend (which comes stock in our Bronco’s) the base oil is not fully synthetic…
Therefore it is not in the shadow of fully synthetic oil… as far as performance.

With fully synthetic oil the carbon chains break down at a much higher temperature… thus during the combustion process the oil chemical breakdown is a fraction of that of non synthetic base (dinosaur oil).

So since the 2.7 with direct injection had coking issues (thank god not our 2.7’s) …. Plus the heat created by the Turbos ….Why would you run anything other than a fully synthetic oil…

Not that I’m an expert of a thing… but this is common sense here people!!!

Not everthing that FORD does is gospel…
That is for sure!!!!

But everyone can treat their 50-60K dollar investment any way they want!!!

Ford might want you to run their Dino oil based oil… but I would not consider it.

Well , didn’t mean to trigger an oil thread (they can get long…). Just noting what I have used without issue. It is worth noting that Motorcraft synthetic did not meet the newer DI certification at Bronco launch (it may now). It wasn’t required for the 2.7 and “dual” injection, but I still wanted the most current spec. I have used Motorcraft synthetic blend a long time without issue. Mobil 1 at Costco (also did not meet the newer DI requirements until recently) is the same price so…….

Ford has always stated that 7 quarts will do no harm. As most folks mine came with close to 7 when drained. I asked my dealer to order a dipstick for my 2.7 and this is what he said was the correct dipstick. Now it reads perfectly full with 7 quart refill.
Everyone is concerned about having 7 but Ford. I think there are benefits from having 7 vs 6.

Have you seen the amount of oil vapor that comes out of your PCV going directly into your intake plenum????

Hmmmm????? Food for thought????

Tahotrvlr

Have you seen the amount of oil vapor that comes out of your PCV going directly into your intake plenum????

Hmmmm????? Food for thought????

I had a single Mishimoto catch can on for 900 miles. Was bone dry. Removed as it was not necessary.

extra toasty
I had a single Mishimoto catch can on for 900 miles. Was bone dry. Removed as it was not necessary.

Good to know… thank you for sharing…

I ran a Ford Performance oil separator.
It definitely had collected a reasonable amount of oil… but back then I ran 7 qts…
How much oil do you run 6 or 7 qts????

On the breather side I ran a canister….
It was totally bone dry also….

Eventually took all of this off…

Coming down from Tehachapi pass (returning from LV Offroadeo) I had hot oil vapor combust the collected oil in the Ford performance oil separator….(large boom twice)

Got home from that trip and removed it….
Since then that Bronco was replaced with my Ordered one (after 2 years of waiting…..2nd day reservation)

Thanks for sharing… I’m going to leave it stock.

I've come to realize there's no point in trying to Google the answer either, maybe I should call my dealer and ask them how much oil they put in the last (2) oil changes. I've seen anywhere from 6 quarts to 6.2 to 7 quarts. Something as simple as this shouldn't be so difficult to figure out.

But after spending $180 last time for a full synthetic oil change & 5 tire rotation, I've since purchased the Ronin easy oil drain plug and will do my own oil changes from now on. For reference, previous synthetic oil change & tire rotation was $110, I do have my limits to what I'm willing to spend to make my life easier.