10R60???

Rockett

Read an article on The Drive that our new Broncos allegedly will be using the 10R60 from the explorer rather than the rangers 10R80. ,

It's also been rumored that the WT/FE get the 80, so guess until production units start rolling off, no one really knows except tightlipped Ford

Don't forget the suspension set up also has a lot to do with tow rating. Designing suspensions to handle off road conditions doesn't make them a good choice for towing.

ResidualGenius

It's also been rumored that the WT/FE get the 80, so guess until production units start rolling off, no one really knows except tightlipped Ford

Except you Can’t get a tow package on the 4-door. :LOL:

Rgwinn

Except you Can’t get a tow package on the 4-door. :LOL:

I got it on my WT 4dr build LOL Only the FE

Rockett

Read an article on The Drive that our new Broncos allegedly will be using the 10R60 from the explorer rather than the rangers 10R80. This would seem to explain why the tow rating is so low with the 2.7L despite the F150 having a significantly higher tow rating with the same engine, and I had assumed the same transmission as the Ranger that "shares a platform". While i get that most people wont use their Broncos for towing, i was hoping for a little more capacity but i believe the 10R60 explains what is going on, would like to hear some folks thoughts on the matter, thanks!






Link: https://www.thedrive.com/news/40654...rs-10-speed-transmission-and-fans-arent-happy

Explorer is rated to 5,600lb with the V6, and they are getting 500hp out of the Explorer ST V6 with the 10sp transmission
https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/...-guides/2021_Ford_RVandTrailerTowingGuide.pdfPage 35

Rgwinn

Explorer is rated to 5,600lb with the V6
https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/...-guides/2021_Ford_RVandTrailerTowingGuide.pdfPage 35

Yeah, I don't think the issue is the transmission

Rockett

Read an article on The Drive that our new Broncos allegedly will be using the 10R60 from the explorer rather than the rangers 10R80. This would seem to explain why the tow rating is so low with the 2.7L despite the F150 having a significantly higher tow rating with the same engine, and I had assumed the same transmission as the Ranger that "shares a platform". While i get that most people wont use their Broncos for towing, i was hoping for a little more capacity but i believe the 10R60 explains what is going on, would like to hear some folks thoughts on the matter, thanks!






Link: https://www.thedrive.com/news/40654...rs-10-speed-transmission-and-fans-arent-happy

The tow rating on the Bronco is the same regardless of engine or transmission choice. The F150, Ranger, and explorer all have various components of the Bronco powertrain and all have higher tow rating. I believe that provides evidence to the hypothesis that the low tow rating is related to the off road oriented suspension set up. For comparison, Jeeps Wranglers have tow ratings between 2K and 4K, so roughly on par with what Bronco is rated at.

Rgwinn

Except you Can’t get a tow package on the 4-door. :LOL:

I have the tow package on my 4-door Badlands. The FE and base(I think) are the only ones that can't get the tow package. ;)

So explain to me the issue, since even though I'm not getting an Auto, still curious about it

ResidualGenius

It's also been rumored that the WT/FE get the 80, so guess until production units start rolling off, no one really knows except tightlipped Ford

This is the sticker on the FE I saw yesterday. It’s a 10R60.

SlashRacer

This is the sticker on the FE I saw yesterday. It’s a 10R60.

Yep, that's on all of them posted, but they are all pre-production models too. So, guessing maybe production can easily change but who knows since Ford is so tightlipped on everything

Rockett

Read an article on The Drive that our new Broncos allegedly will be using the 10R60 from the explorer rather than the rangers 10R80. This would seem to explain why the tow rating is so low with the 2.7L despite the F150 having a significantly higher tow rating with the same engine, and I had assumed the same transmission as the Ranger that "shares a platform". While i get that most people wont use their Broncos for towing, i was hoping for a little more capacity but i believe the 10R60 explains what is going on, would like to hear some folks thoughts on the matter, thanks!






Link: https://www.thedrive.com/news/40654...rs-10-speed-transmission-and-fans-arent-happy

Has nothing to do with engine or tranny. It's all about the off-road capability, including suspension, tires, weight, etc. and is not designed to haul/tow stuff period! Ford has plenty of other vehicles to choose from if towing is priority over off-roading! It's aggravating how this topic keeps popping up over and over again. The Ford Raptor is a perfect example, the Raptor's towing capacity is at 8000 or 8200lb (2021), that's 4000lbs below a regular F150.

ResidualGenius

It's also been rumored that the WT/FE get the 80, so guess until production units start rolling off, no one really knows except tightlipped Ford

RG - why do you think Ford would use 2 different trannys?

Daisy76

Has nothing to do with engine or tranny. It's all about the off-road capability, including suspension, tires, weight, etc. and is not designed to haul/tow stuff period! Ford has plenty of other vehicles to choose from if towing is priority over off-roading! It's aggravating how this topic keeps popping up over and over again. The Ford Raptor is a perfect example, the Raptor's towing capacity is at 8000 or 8200lb (2021), that's 4000lbs below a regular F150.

no reason to be aggravated, I have the resource capital for one vehicle, I want the bronco because I love broncos, a ranger is not a bronco... I also would like the ability to pull a medium sized trailer, potentially 5k lbs ish, never said towing was a priorty over offroading, more than one thing can be true at once, i want a Bronco, and i would like to pull a medium sized travel trailer safely.

The posted article alluded to the transmission being the potential reason for the low towing capacity, I do understand the short wheel base, suspension setup and the like can also impact the tow capacity.

Speed Devil, my primary interest "issue" was more along the lines of the curiosity over how the 10R60 will effect long term reliability as compared to the 10R80, im not super familiar with Fords current transmissions, and if the Article had any credence that the transmission was resulting in a lower tow rating by ford engineers, it would be believed that the engineers had concerns over long term tow use for warranty purposes (IE a potential weak link in the drive train).

SlashRacer

This is the sticker on the FE I saw yesterday. It’s a 10R60.

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Yep, all door tags show the "T" code for tranny on all the Broncs. I still haven't seen documentation though that the "T" means 10R60 for the Bronco, and understand that it is the case on the Explorer. Just haven't seen the confirmation yet for the Bronco, so if anyone has that please share. Either way, Ford has been torturing the tranny that's in it for good while now with no problems and nothing but great reviews on the tranny's characteristics. So, whether is the 10R60 or 10R80, hopefully nothing changes.

What is it about off-road suspensions that cause them to be trash for towing? Are the spring rates (load capacity) lower to allow more flex (articulation) of the suspension? that would make sense to me.

Deepshag

RG - why do you think Ford would use 2 different trannys?

I'm just saying on one of the other tranny threads it was said to be possible that SAS gets the 80 and others get the 60. Is that correct who knows until Ford actually talks or produces some documents or we see the true production units rolling off

ResidualGenius

I'm just saying on one of the other tranny threads it was said to be possible that SAS gets the 80 and others get the 60. Is that correct who knows until Ford actually talks or produces some documents or we see the true production units rolling off

oooooooh that would be quite upsetting, as that kind of knowledge would have made me opt for the SAS!

ResidualGenius

I'm just saying on one of the other tranny threads it was said to be possible that SAS gets the 80 and others get the 60. Is that correct who knows until Ford actually talks or produces some documents or we see the true production units rolling off

Anything with SAS makes more sense than just FE and WildTrak’s.