Remote start with manual?

3Dogs

I know that Ford doesn't offer a remote start with the manual. Must be too much of a stretch to ask the firmware guys to read the state of the Neutral Safety Switch before starting the car.
That is really the only reason I'm thinking of getting the 10-speed. Would be nice to come out to a pre-cooled car when I it's 115°F out here.

But... What about aftermarket?
Does (or will) anyone make a remote start option that will work on a manual transmission?

Hey, there are several remote starters out there, after market wise. I don't see Ford offering that option for a manual transmission.

Gtrekker

Hey, there are several remote starters out there, after market wise. I don't see Ford offering that option for a manual transmission.

I sure hope so that is going to one thing I will miss from the suburban.

Jakob1972

I sure hope so that is going to one thing I will miss from the suburban.

It’s a safety thing. Nobody offers them for the manual since you need to be sure it’s in neutral or the clutch is depressed. Even in neutral the ECU will not allow it to turn over unless the clutch switch is made. The aftermarket setup would have to disengage the federal safety items like the clutch switch which no company is going to sign up to do. It would be up to the owner to bypass the safety measures and rig it up themselves which is not recommended. Plus you would need to leave the bronco parked in neutral and rely on the ebrake alone to hold it which I would never do. I always park a manual car with it in 1st gear and I never engage the ebrake to hold it while parked. I have seen ebrakes freeze in cold or rust after getting some miles on them. I have never had a vehicle move while parked in first gear, even on a good incline.

guzie

I have never had a vehicle move while parked in first gear, even on a good incline.

I have, but maybe that's just because it was a tired, old engine that didn't quite have the compression it used to.

TorgSurv

I have, but maybe that's just because it was a tired, old engine that didn't quite have the compression it used to.

They are usually pretty good to hold in 1st gear. If there is enough compression to run there certainly should be enough to hold it from moving in 1st with the high ratio

Jakob1972

I sure hope so that is going to one thing I will miss from the suburban.

No doubt.... Google auto start for manual trans. To understand what types are out there. Its more than just hitting your key fob.

Gtrekker

Hey, there are several remote starters out there, after market wise. I don't see Ford offering that option for a manual transmission.

Its so easy to do its ridiculous, and they would have the only manual trans with remote start on the market, that would boost sales and would get conquest sales.

guzie

It’s a safety thing. Nobody offers them for the manual since you need to be sure it’s in neutral or the clutch is depressed. Even in neutral the ECU will not allow it to turn over unless the clutch switch is made. The aftermarket setup would have to disengage the federal safety items like the clutch switch which no company is going to sign up to do. It would be up to the owner to bypass the safety measures and rig it up themselves which is not recommended. Plus you would need to leave the bronco parked in neutral and rely on the ebrake alone to hold it which I would never do. I always park a manual car with it in 1st gear and I never engage the ebrake to hold it while parked. I have seen ebrakes freeze in cold or rust after getting some miles on them. I have never had a vehicle move while parked in first gear, even on a good incline.

Then you never owned a 2008 Chevy cobalt with 354000 miles. 1st will not hold it on a hill. Cars these days have parking brakes not e-brakes. You should use it every time you park. I have had mine rust after a 2 week vacation I needed to smack the drum with a hammer to get it loose again still rather have that then the car running away. I know a person that got ran over by his own 82 Capri because he didn’t use the parking brake. He was lucky he fell into the bar ditch and the car rolled over him the exhaust burned him pretty bad as he was pinned underneath.

Jakob1972

Then you never owned a 2008 Chevy cobalt with 354000 miles. 1st will not hold it on a hill. Cars these days have parking brakes not e-brakes. You should use it every time you park. I have had mine rust after a 2 week vacation I needed to smack the drum with a hammer to get it loose again still rather have that then the car running away. I know a person that got ran over by his own 82 Capri because he didn’t use the parking brake. He was lucky he fell into the bar ditch and the car rolled over him the exhaust burned him pretty bad as he was pinned underneath.

I use the e brake every time and in almost 50 years of driving never had a e brake freeze or rust because it gets used.
The set up I proposed to Ford is as safe as an automatic trans.

Bronco5.0

I use the e brake every time and in almost 50 years of driving never had a e brake freeze or rust because it gets used.
The set up I proposed to Ford is as safe as an automatic trans.

You make a great point. The reason they freeze up is from non-use.
I could see how it could work, but the liability part of it keeps it from happening.
The first time it would start while in gear, lawsuits everywhere.
With electronics monitoring every thing nowadays, it seems they could put in a lot of fail safes to make sure it can't fail.

Deano Bronc

You make a great point. The reason they freeze up is from non-use.
I could see how it could work, but the liability part of it keeps it from happening.
The first time it would start while in gear, lawsuits everywhere.
With electronics monitoring every thing nowadays, it seems they could put in a lot of fail safes to make sure it can't fail.

There is no liability with what I proposed, there is as much chance with a run away as there is with a auto. The shifter puts the trans in neutral,and engages a pawl and has a safety switch to detect that is in park. Fool proof.
There is no rational argument against this method.

Ford shouldn't have a not invented here issue becasue they jointly developed that 10 spd thing with General Mediocrity, but they could still be leary of using someones idea because they are still butt hurt over the windshield wiper thing.

I actually don’t think it would be too hard for the aftermarket to figure out something. Ford already has the “start in gear” deal and the manuals will have the auto start/stop.

Flourman

I actually don’t think it would be too hard for the aftermarket to figure out something. Ford already has the “start in gear” deal and the manuals will have the auto start/stop.

Wait the Manuals will have the auto start stop?

3Dogs

I know that Ford doesn't offer a remote start with the manual. Must be too much of a stretch to ask the firmware guys to read the state of the Neutral Safety Switch before starting the car.
That is really the only reason I'm thinking of getting the 10-speed. Would be nice to come out to a pre-cooled car when I it's 115°F out here.

But... What about aftermarket?
Does (or will) anyone make a remote start option that will work on a manual transmission?

I have remote start on my '14 Ford Escape. My experience with it has been pretty meh. At home, I park in the garage so don't use it here. When I used the remote start after work or when I was out and about, it just never did very much. The car never really cooled off materially until it started moving. I was so unimpressed, I just started leaving my keys in the console and used the input pad on the door to lock/unlock the car.

My wife has a '17 Mercedes C-Class, and she has roughly the same experience.

I just don't think remote start AC is powerful enough to cool a car down in our 115 summer heat.

I am not going to comment on whether it's mechanically possible or feasible on a manual because I have no clue.

I'm getting a manual and because of my (and my wife's) experience with remote start, it's really a nothing burger to me that I won't be able to get it.

Jakob1972

Wait the Manuals will have the auto start stop?

Yes.
https://community.thebronconation.com/forums/threads/start-stop-disable.2405/

TorgSurv

Yes.
https://community.thebronconation.com/forums/threads/start-stop-disable.2405/

Yeah I read that but I thought it was all Broncos with AT. I was just reading that into David confirmation because it didn’t say specifically MT Broncos. Some time I read things and hear what I want in my head.

Jakob1972

Yeah I read that but I thought it was all Broncos with AT. I was just reading that into David confirmation because it didn’t say specifically MT Broncos. Some time I read things and hear what I want in my head.

As of now I don’t think so. As @David said, it’s usually plastered in the brochures. I went to the build and price for the sporty, the Ranger and the Bronco. Bronco is the only one that doesn’t mention auto stop/start and I configured it with manual and automatic transmissions. I’m sure that will be a new feature in the build and price updates but I haven’t seen the disable button yet either. Auto stop is the rightmost button in the picture from the 2020 F-150. Let me know if you find one.

Jakob1972

Yeah I read that but I thought it was all Broncos with AT. I was just reading that into David confirmation because it didn’t say specifically MT Broncos. Some time I read things and hear what I want in my head.

I have not seen auto start/stop on any Ford manual vehicles yet. I don’t see it happening. Too easy for the operator to take their foot off the clutch at a complete stop just as auto start wants to kick in.

guzie

I have not seen auto start/stop on any Ford manual vehicles yet. I don’t see it happening. Too easy for the operator to take their foot off the clutch at a complete stop just as auto start wants to kick in.

My understanding is the the auto-stop only happens when the vehicle is in Neutral, foot off the clutch, brake depressed.
Once clutch is depressed, the car auto-starts.